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perfect because my distinct honor to

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to our second panel of the first day of

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the citizens hearing

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this panel will run until approximately

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12 45. we'll have opening statements of

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10 to 15 minutes maximum and then

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questions of five to seven minutes uh so

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miss Bill and you've already been uh

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shared the oath so it's your option

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whether to do it again but if the rest

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of the panel could repeat after me I do

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hereby affirm

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but I will tell the truth

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and nothing but the truth about the

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truth to the members of this committee

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the members of this committee today

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we are for the second time this morning

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honored to begin with Mr Dolan my

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goodness uh thank you esteemed members

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of the committee and I will keep my

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um more mercifully brief than the last

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um and I apologize for not having uh

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this statement for you I will provide

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that for you for the record

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before we're before done here

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researchers of UFO phenomenon have long

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argued with each other

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over many aspects of this phenomenon

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but one conclusion that

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I think all of us share at least serious

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research is that is that it's become

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that UFOs have become a central although

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covert but a central component of U.S

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history in the modern era and indeed of

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world history but as everyone knows you

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can't have much of a history that is a

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factually based history without access

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to documents

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and it's the documents of the past that

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enable us in the present to try to

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puzzle through the complexities and

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and yet it's easy for us to forget that

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access to most of the key UFO documents

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we now have came to us by way of

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historical accident

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and it happened to be a fleeting one at

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all through the 1940s and 1950s and

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many thousands of classified Pages

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written about UFOs

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of course the general public didn't know

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about this and neither it appears that

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many or maybe even most members of

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Congress but then came the end of the

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war in Vietnam and of course Watergate

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and this was a certain key moment in

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American history a moment in which the

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United States Congress investigated the

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intelligence Community for example

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um and when it reopened the Assassin

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investigation of the assassination of

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President John F Kennedy and Dr Martin

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Luther King Jr and there's

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in which Congress dramatically

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strengthened the United States Freedom

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of Information Act

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enabling U.S citizens to petition their

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government for documents not merely

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relating to them personally but to the

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nation in terms of broad issues of

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well little did members of Congress

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realize that of all subsequent Freedom

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of Information Act requests the most

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popular category would be related to

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and indeed during the late 1970s over

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presidential order by Ronald Reagan made

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foia substantially less user-friendly

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and did not require many agencies to

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reply in a timely manner at all

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the result was a major ballooning in

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costs to those people making requests

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so the glory era of Freedom of

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pertaining to UFOs

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came to an end

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to this day more than half of all U.S

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great for the Carter Administration

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shame on the subsequent ones

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and yet we remain fortunate I think

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because the documents that we have thank

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goodness

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give us at least enough they gave us

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enough of a history to hold on to they

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give us enough Solid Ground and their

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aggregate message is startlingly clear

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UFOs have been the subject not merely of

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intelligence Community but at times

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at times the subject of concern and even

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but how could it be otherwise when we

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have report after report of violations

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of sensitive airspace by objects that

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defy any logical or conventional

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explanation whether the scene was Los

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such events uh the question remains how

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could this not be a matter of grave

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concern to those parties responsible for

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maintaining the Integrity of their

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their memos and requests for information

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to the matter at hand here is one CIA

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very succinct way quote information is

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desired if this was some new or

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experimental aircraft

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and the situation became so stressful to

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the CIA and elsewhere that on December

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2nd 1952 this is right at the very end

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of the Truman presidency

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the cia's chief of scientific

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intelligence H Marshall Chadwell

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wrote a classified memo to his boss that

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was the director of the CIA Walter

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the reports of incidents convince us

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that there is something going on that

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must have immediate attention

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sightings of unexplained objects at

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are of such nature

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that they are not attributable to

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aerial Vehicles end quote

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I think this is a statement that bears

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very close scrutiny

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high-level U.S official that UFOs were

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probably artificial

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probably intelligently operated

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and not apparently ours

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and nor was there serious consideration

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that these were Soviet

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Soviet if not natural phenomena

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and if they appeared to be technological

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and under intelligent control well we

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begin to run out of viable options

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it is access to documents such as these

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that enable us to know with certainty

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that UFOs were a matter of serious

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concerned individuals at the highest

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levels of U.S national security they you

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think any of the formally Declassified

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documents we have by themselves prove

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that UFOs are ET I don't think any of

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powerful case I would say not even a

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matter of speculation but a matter of

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proof that

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that the phenomenon was considered Real

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by the responsible members of our

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national security community that I would

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say that is not a matter of debate or

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speculation and really the questions

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that we need to ask is why were they

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considering it and did they form any

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opinions themselves and getting at that

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answer is a little more difficult but

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nonetheless the bottom line is these

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documents do prove this and it's

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important because all of these levels of

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concern were consistently voiced within

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the classified world but they were not

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the formal public statements are always

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the same there's nothing to this that it

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may be interesting or may not but we're

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as the historical accident of Freedom of

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those documents proved the lie to those

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statements of denial

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so today official pronouncements about

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UFOs by the government and Military it

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really no difference between what they

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insulting about it back back in the

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early years a number of statements that

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talked about people just kind of being

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crazy psychopathological you don't hear

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that anymore

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but other than that it's really the same

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type of tone unfortunately though that

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classified information on UFOs as we

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once briefly obtained in the past

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and yet enough genuine and recent UFO

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accounts have become known to us many of

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which involve U.S military that we can

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see that very little has changed

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something important is happening behind

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the veil of the classified world my

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will current members of Congress and the

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public at large be content to roll over

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and be spoon fed nonsense by responsible

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officials when in fact they deserve the

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truth thank you

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good afternoon or good morning

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distinguished members of and panelists

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of the citizen hearing on unidentified

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my name is Jose Antonio nails and I'm a

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Chilean American journalist who has been

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actively involved in covering the

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mystery of UFOs and its hypothesis of

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extraterrestrial ET origin other

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theories are also possible and should be

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considered for the past 37 years

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my very first article on this topic was

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published in a small New York newspaper

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on July 4 1977 conciding with the

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beginning of my professional career as a

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I was born in this country but my family

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was from Chile my father worked for

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several years in the United Nations in

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the early formative years of this

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International body during which time I

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was born in New York in 1950. after

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in 1969 I went to Europe and took a

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civilization at the sorbonne University

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in Paris and later studied journalism at

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daily newspaper in the mid 70s where I

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was one of the first journalists in

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Chile to cover ecological or green

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issues on a regular basis

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this was however a period of great

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turmoil in Chile following the military

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coup of September 11 1973 the first time

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that faithful date shows up in modern

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history

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I might add I might add so I took the

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decision to claim my U.S citizen and

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moved to this country where I have lived

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ever since first in the Washington DC

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area then New York for some 25 years

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back to the Beltway where I lived in

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Northern Virginia for about three years

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and now the Phoenix Arizona area where I

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moved in 2009 after I was hired to work

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as a full-time paid journalist and

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editor of open minds magazine and also a

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writer for our website openminds.tv

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another production and research

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activities in ufology for the company

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open minds production

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the subject of UFOs is a contentions one

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where many different views and attitudes

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coexist sometimes in a friendly manner

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sometimes in a more acrimonious way

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but there is no doubt in my mind that

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there's at least one conclusion we can

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we can and should all agree UFOs are

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definitely a global phenomenon they're

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cited visually on film and on radar

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reported investigators sometimes

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officially sometimes by private

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organizations and covered by both the

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local and international media all over

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the world

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it doesn't really matter what is the

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culture language religion ethnic Orange

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and level of development and

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technological capabilities of a country

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UFOs have been reported everywhere from

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Alaska to Chile and Argentina in the

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Americas all over Europe Asia the Middle

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East Africa Australia and the oceans

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they are well-documented cases in many

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parts of the world including Brazil

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France Iran Russia Zimbabwe New Zealand

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and many other countries

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regardless of what turns out to be the

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final origin of this mystery it has a

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great potential of unifying the

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different and often divided parts of our

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world the reason is simple no matter how

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big our ideological religious or

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cultural differences are we would all

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tend to unite in the face of an unknown

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possibly extraterrestrial presence

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it is for this reason that some efforts

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have been made over the years to bring

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the subject to the attention of the

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United Nations organization

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this International body despite its

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flaws is the only organization that

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truly represents all the nations of the

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world and so it seems to be the logical

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place where this issue could be dealt

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with in a global formal and legal manner

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I will outline briefly the history of

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UFOs at the United Nations a subject

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that I know very well firsthand since I

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personally attended as a journalist the

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famous historical UFO hearing before the

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un's special political committee on

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November 27 1978

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this was the result of a two-year

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lobbying effort by Sir Eric Gary the

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prime minister of Grenada a small

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Caribbean island which had gained

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independence from Great Britain in 1978.

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I'm submitting for the record a long

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article detailing the history of UFOs at

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the U.N which I published in the third

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issue of open minds magazine in 2010.

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grenada's UFO proportional proposal was

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first raised officially prepped by prime

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minister Gary and grenadas U.N

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Ambassador Wellington Friday at a

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meeting of the UN General Assembly

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special political committee on November

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28 1977.

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Grenada proposed the quote establishment

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of an agency or a department of the

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United Nations for undertaking

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coordinating and disseminating the

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results of research into an identified

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flying objects UFOs and related

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phenomena

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Grenada made further statements on

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November 30 and December 6 1977.

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in an earlier speech in October prime

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minister Gary disclosed his own sighting

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quote I have myself seen in an

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identified flying object and I have been

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totally overwhelmed by what I have seen

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as a result of all this effort on

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December 13 1977 the general assembly

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adopted decision

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32-424 which acknowledged the drivers

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the draft resolution submitted by

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Grenada

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General Kurt balheim Dooley forwarded

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decision

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32-424 to the member states by a note

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verbal on March 13 1978. however only

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three governments responded India

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Luxembourg and Seychelles and only two

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specialized agencies International civil

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aviation organization and UNESCO replied

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with a flat no comments to offer

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and the third Grenada launched a new

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offensive in 1978 with the help of one

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of the original NASA astronauts Gordon

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Cooper among others

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a group of recognized experts was

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assembled by Gary to testify at a

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hearing before the special political

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committee on November 27 1978 which

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became the high point of the Grenada

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initiative

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besides Sarah Gary and Ambassador Friday

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who was now grenada's minister of

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Education the hearing included testimony

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by astronomer Dr jail and heineck the

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former scientific consultant for the U.S

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Air Force Project Blue Book who went on

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to found the center for UFO studies

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kufos Dr Jacques Valley Stanton Friedman

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who is president at the citizen hearing

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and a first-hand witness account by

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Lieutenant Colonel Lawrence Coyne of the

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U.S Army Reserve on the famous October

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18 1973 UFO helicopter near Collision in

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Ohio

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a letter of endorsement by astronaut

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Gordon Cooper who was then working for

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the Walt Disney Company as vice

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president of research and development

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for Epcot was read into the record

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besides mentioning his own sighting and

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views on UFOs Cooper wrote that quote we

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need to have a top level coordinated

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program to scientifically collect and

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analyze data from all over Earth

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concerning any type of encounter and to

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determine how best to interface with

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these visitors in a friendly fashion end

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quote

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at a meeting of the UN General Assembly

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on December 18 1978 decision

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33-426 was adopted with the same heading

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to the previous decision 32424

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establishment of an agency or a

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department of the United Nations for

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undertaking coordinating and

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disseminating the results of research

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into an identified flying objects and

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related phenomena end quote

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the Grenada initiative was gradually

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opening the door to UFOs at the U.N but

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unfortunately the effort came to an

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abrupt halt when the Gary government was

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overthrown by a Marxist Revolution led

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by Maurice Bishop of the new Jewel

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movement in March 1979. ironically Gary

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was in New York to meet with Kurt

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valheim regarding decision 33426 when

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the coup took place

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some minor efforts to rekindle the UFO

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initiative at the United Nations were

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attempted by civilian investigators

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since the Grenada coup of 1979 but with

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no success whatsoever because only

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Sovereign member country can bring this

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issue back officially to the U.N and no

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government has done so since the Grenada

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initiative of the late 70s the good news

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however is that we don't have to

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reinvent the wheel the U.N decisions 32

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424 and 33 4-6 are already on the books

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and could be revived if there was

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political will

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in closing these opening remarks I want

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to make a few important points

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while it's true that the majority of UFO

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sightings have mundane explanations a

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fact recognized by most competent

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investigators and scientists if you

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really study with an open mind the

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extensive Data Bank of UFO cases

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collected worldwide during the last six

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decades you will find a small percentage

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of truly puzzling incidents that defy

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any conventional explanation

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the prevailing view among most

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researchers and the media is that these

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cases have an ET origin but this is not

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the only explanation other theories

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including interdimensional or multiple

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universes have also been advanced even

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time travel has been proposed in other

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words UFOs would be our own devices from

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the future coming back in time for

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unknown reasons I realize all this

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sounds like science fiction but think

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for a minute didn't you see people

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talking to each other at huge distances

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while viewing themselves on a screen in

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lots of sci-fi movies from the 50s and

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60s well this happens now every day

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through Skype in the internet similar

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examples can be multiplied at infinitum

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what is important is to look at all the

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data without any preconceived ideas or

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beliefs the late Dr heineck used to say

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that UFOs were likely signaling the next

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Scientific Revolution

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but but we will never get there if we

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don't study the phenomenon in a truly

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comprehensive and unbiased way and I

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might add with the proper resources to

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do so

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the political implications or

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exopolitical as is now referred are even

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bigger the alien can become a catalyst

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to unify the people also of Earth to

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realize that mankind must grow way

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beyond our current limitations if we are

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going to survive and prosper in the

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future

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many believe the open that open contact

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will never happen in an open way unless

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Mankind's level of Consciousness makes a

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significant jump

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let me finish with an appropriate quote

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from Shakespeare's Hamlet

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there are more things in Heaven and

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Earth Horatio that are dreamed in your

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philosophy thank you very much

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good morning good morning congresswoman

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and congressman and Senator Revell my

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name is Dan Sheehan I am general counsel

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for the committee I've been asked to

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speak briefly here today to address a a

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few different instances that have

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occurred in my career

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as an attorney that bear upon this

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particular subject that have led to me

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ending up being general counsel I was

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also general counsel for the original

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disclosure conference that we had in

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2001. so I've been around for a while on

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this particular area in it it arose

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because I was a chief counsel for the

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United States Jesuit headquarters in

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Washington D.C here back in 1976 when

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President Carter was elected president

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and immediately after his election in

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November of 1976 President Carter

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called into his office the then Central

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Intelligence Agency director who was

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George H.W bush

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and President Carter asked to be briefed

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by the director of Central Intelligence

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on the issue of UFOs

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and in that meeting the CIA director

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Bush asked the president-elect if the

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president-elect would leave him in as

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the Central Intelligence Agency director

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and that he would promise that he would

566
00:24:15,179 --> 00:24:19,679
never run for political office in his

567
00:24:17,339 --> 00:24:22,439
life if Carter would agree to keep him

568
00:24:19,679 --> 00:24:25,019
in as the director of the CIA Bush

569
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,480
wanted to at that time become more or

570
00:24:25,019 --> 00:24:29,759
less like J Edgar Hoover it had become

571
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,380
at the FBI that he would remain that it

572
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:34,019
would be above politics that he would

573
00:24:31,380 --> 00:24:37,080
remain in that position uh President

574
00:24:34,019 --> 00:24:40,200
Carter reiterated his request for the

575
00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:43,139
UFO information saying that he had his

576
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:45,000
own person in mind to be the director of

577
00:24:43,140 --> 00:24:47,700
the Central Intelligence Agency

578
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,619
which happened to be Teddy Sorensen at

579
00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:51,900
the time

580
00:24:48,619 --> 00:24:54,658
and Bush at that time then refused to

581
00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:57,380
provide the information to him saying

582
00:24:54,659 --> 00:25:00,720
that he did not have adequate clearances

583
00:24:57,380 --> 00:25:02,280
he was not the president yet and that he

584
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,200
should ask his own Central Intelligence

585
00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:05,759
Agency director for that

586
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,558
uh but if he wanted to have the

587
00:25:05,759 --> 00:25:09,538
information ahead of time that what he

588
00:25:07,558 --> 00:25:11,339
could do is he could contact the Science

589
00:25:09,538 --> 00:25:14,158
and Technology Committee of the House of

590
00:25:11,339 --> 00:25:16,500
Representatives and they had an ongoing

591
00:25:14,159 --> 00:25:18,120
relationship with the Science and

592
00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:20,159
Technology division of the Congressional

593
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,859
research service that could go about

594
00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:25,799
getting things Declassified to show him

595
00:25:22,859 --> 00:25:28,678
that is what generated the request from

596
00:25:25,798 --> 00:25:31,079
the Congressional research service to me

597
00:25:28,679 --> 00:25:33,720
as the general counsel for the Jesuit

598
00:25:31,079 --> 00:25:36,000
headquarters in the United States asking

599
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,960
if I could gain access to the Vatican

600
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,298
Library

601
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,460
to obtain the information that the

602
00:25:39,298 --> 00:25:44,099
Vatican has in its library in its

603
00:25:41,460 --> 00:25:46,400
classified sections to deliver to the

604
00:25:44,099 --> 00:25:50,038
president for his review

605
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:51,659
I I did that I contacted the the Jesuit

606
00:25:50,038 --> 00:25:53,119
who happens to be the head of the the

607
00:25:51,659 --> 00:25:55,440
Vatican Library

608
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:58,558
requesting this information and much to

609
00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:00,419
my surprise I was denied information

610
00:25:58,558 --> 00:26:03,058
I wrote a second letter to them saying

611
00:26:00,419 --> 00:26:05,940
look I I guess you must not know who we

612
00:26:03,058 --> 00:26:07,139
are here this is the Jesuit headquarters

613
00:26:05,940 --> 00:26:09,179
in the United States we have 10

614
00:26:07,140 --> 00:26:11,880
provinces here in the United States more

615
00:26:09,179 --> 00:26:13,559
than any other country in the world and

616
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,179
we're requesting this information to

617
00:26:13,558 --> 00:26:18,418
share with the president

618
00:26:15,179 --> 00:26:20,278
they still declined so I had to report

619
00:26:18,419 --> 00:26:22,140
that to Marsha Smith who was the head of

620
00:26:20,278 --> 00:26:24,119
the Science and Technology division of

621
00:26:22,140 --> 00:26:25,320
the Library of Congress Congressional

622
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,599
research service

623
00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:30,298
and she asked if I would be willing to

624
00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:32,158
become a counsel special counsel to this

625
00:26:30,298 --> 00:26:34,079
investigation that was being conducted

626
00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:37,260
by the by the Science and Technology

627
00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:39,960
committee I agreed to do this and I told

628
00:26:37,259 --> 00:26:41,759
her that I would need to have access to

629
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,980
certain kinds of information that I

630
00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:46,200
would like to have Declassified or get

631
00:26:43,980 --> 00:26:48,179
to see it and she said what would you

632
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,919
like to see and I said well the first

633
00:26:48,179 --> 00:26:53,159
thing I'd like to see is the classified

634
00:26:49,919 --> 00:26:55,080
sections of Project Blue Book those

635
00:26:53,159 --> 00:26:58,860
sections that have been referred to by

636
00:26:55,079 --> 00:27:00,599
Mr Dolan earlier and uh and by Gordon as

637
00:26:58,859 --> 00:27:02,939
not really available

638
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:04,558
much to our surprise I was granted

639
00:27:02,940 --> 00:27:06,778
permission to see them

640
00:27:04,558 --> 00:27:08,339
and they they brought them to Washington

641
00:27:06,778 --> 00:27:10,619
and they brought them over to the

642
00:27:08,339 --> 00:27:12,839
Jefferson building the extension to the

643
00:27:10,619 --> 00:27:14,879
Congressional library before it was even

644
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:16,918
open the brand new building that they

645
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,778
built across the street remember and so

646
00:27:16,919 --> 00:27:20,100
I was invited to come over there I went

647
00:27:18,778 --> 00:27:22,259
over there no one else was in the

648
00:27:20,099 --> 00:27:24,538
building they had security people at the

649
00:27:22,259 --> 00:27:27,839
door uh and I went over and I was

650
00:27:24,538 --> 00:27:31,079
brought downstairs into a room where

651
00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:34,019
they had these shoe boxes uh with with

652
00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:36,720
uh with microfilm in them and documents

653
00:27:34,019 --> 00:27:41,119
Etc and in my review of those documents

654
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:43,919
I Came Upon photographs of unquestioned

655
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,899
UFOs was there any question about what

656
00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:47,759
they were it wasn't a light in the sky

657
00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:50,159
it wasn't a vague report about having

658
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:52,079
seen something going very fast by these

659
00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:54,840
were photographs official United States

660
00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:58,199
Air Force photographs some taken through

661
00:27:54,839 --> 00:28:01,199
gun sites but another one of a crashed

662
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:03,298
saucer on the ground that it was there

663
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:07,200
was snow in the in the photographs it

664
00:28:03,298 --> 00:28:09,179
showed a a the saucer had hit into a

665
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,880
field and had plowed across the field

666
00:28:09,179 --> 00:28:14,700
and was stuck into a snow bank set up

667
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:17,278
about a 45 degree angle and I could see

668
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:18,360
in the photographs U.S Air Force

669
00:28:17,278 --> 00:28:21,839
personnel

670
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:24,000
dressed in heavy parkas taking video

671
00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:26,639
taking actually film with those two

672
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,859
cameras with a great big camera circles

673
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:32,400
on top the films like this so it must

674
00:28:28,859 --> 00:28:35,519
have been in the 1950s uh and I I saw

675
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,980
this and I realized that I could see in

676
00:28:35,519 --> 00:28:41,400
one of the photographs symbols that were

677
00:28:37,980 --> 00:28:44,400
on the the Dome of the the UFO sticking

678
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:46,100
in the snow bank so what I did we had I

679
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,659
had one of those

680
00:28:46,099 --> 00:28:50,939
they were the microfiche those little

681
00:28:48,659 --> 00:28:52,620
machines you put the microfiche in you

682
00:28:50,940 --> 00:28:55,679
cranked a little handle very high tech

683
00:28:52,619 --> 00:28:57,719
this was and so what I did is they had

684
00:28:55,679 --> 00:29:00,360
told me that I wasn't allowed to take

685
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,519
any notes when when I went in there the

686
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:04,319
two the two security men at the door

687
00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:07,440
told me I was not allowed to take any

688
00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:09,960
notes but I actually had a yellow pad

689
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:12,360
under my under my arm when I went in

690
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,759
like this and so when I went in and when

691
00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:17,879
I saw these photographs what I did is I

692
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:20,038
I cranked down the the focus on the uh

693
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,200
on the machine so that I could get a

694
00:29:20,038 --> 00:29:25,558
close-up view of these symbols that were

695
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:28,140
around the Dome of the the UFO and what

696
00:29:25,558 --> 00:29:29,879
I did is I opened up the yellow pad and

697
00:29:28,140 --> 00:29:33,240
I put the yellow pad in there and I

698
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:36,899
traced the actual symbols that were

699
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:39,480
along the base of the of the saucer and

700
00:29:36,898 --> 00:29:41,699
then I closed it up and I said I think

701
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,278
I'd probably better leave now because uh

702
00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:45,960
I have this so what I did is I put all

703
00:29:44,278 --> 00:29:47,579
the stuff back into the boxes and I put

704
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,500
the little yellow pet under my arm and I

705
00:29:47,579 --> 00:29:52,019
walked back out and the two security

706
00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:53,640
guys said I I'd like my briefcase back

707
00:29:52,019 --> 00:29:55,319
they handed me my briefcase and I

708
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,360
started to walk away and one of them

709
00:29:55,319 --> 00:30:00,000
says what's that under your arm

710
00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:01,619
and I said oh this is a yellow pad and

711
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,240
he opened it up and he leafed through

712
00:30:01,619 --> 00:30:04,139
all the pages and there was nothing

713
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,058
there

714
00:30:04,140 --> 00:30:07,559
and so because I'd put it on the inside

715
00:30:06,058 --> 00:30:10,379
of the cardboard

716
00:30:07,558 --> 00:30:12,720
uh and so I took that back with me to

717
00:30:10,380 --> 00:30:14,640
Jesuit headquarters and I brought it to

718
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,919
Father Bill Davis who was my Superior at

719
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:20,520
the Jesuit headquarters and we then

720
00:30:16,919 --> 00:30:22,200
agreed to go we gathered the all 54

721
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:24,720
of the major religious denominations

722
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,580
their Washington DC offices and we

723
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,019
brought them into a meeting and we

724
00:30:26,579 --> 00:30:29,759
proposed to them from the Jesuit

725
00:30:28,019 --> 00:30:32,038
national headquarters that we

726
00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:35,220
established as a priority having the

727
00:30:32,038 --> 00:30:37,679
churches try to ascertain what

728
00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:39,000
information we could get and that we

729
00:30:37,679 --> 00:30:40,620
would get the backing of the churches

730
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,179
and then go to the Vatican library and

731
00:30:40,619 --> 00:30:45,178
see if we could start to address this

732
00:30:42,179 --> 00:30:47,580
you know that is that is what we did in

733
00:30:45,179 --> 00:30:50,640
Father Bill Davis when I and I asked him

734
00:30:47,579 --> 00:30:52,678
this he he got puzzled and he reached

735
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,120
down and he pulled open the drawer out

736
00:30:52,679 --> 00:30:56,100
of his out of his desk at the Jesuit

737
00:30:54,119 --> 00:30:59,519
headquarters right over by Dupont Circle

738
00:30:56,099 --> 00:31:01,439
1717 Mass Ave is where we were and he

739
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:02,519
opened up the door and he pulled out a

740
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,100
photograph

741
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:09,359
and he said this is a photograph that I

742
00:31:05,099 --> 00:31:11,819
got from my sister her husband is a uh

743
00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:14,398
is in the the tower in Seattle

744
00:31:11,819 --> 00:31:16,558
Washington airport he's a he's a flight

745
00:31:14,398 --> 00:31:18,418
controller and his best friend is a

746
00:31:16,558 --> 00:31:21,000
commercial pilot and he took this

747
00:31:18,419 --> 00:31:23,220
Photograph out of his window of the

748
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,140
commercial airline and he handed me the

749
00:31:23,220 --> 00:31:27,179
photograph of this

750
00:31:25,140 --> 00:31:29,460
so we showed this to the people at the

751
00:31:27,179 --> 00:31:31,860
Washington interreligious staff Council

752
00:31:29,460 --> 00:31:34,860
that we organized asking them if they

753
00:31:31,859 --> 00:31:37,199
would make this a priority and they they

754
00:31:34,859 --> 00:31:40,019
said are there any other subjects you'd

755
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:42,240
like to discuss instead of that that

756
00:31:40,019 --> 00:31:43,019
they didn't want to address that at that

757
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,058
time

758
00:31:43,019 --> 00:31:47,700
and what happened I was contacted then

759
00:31:45,058 --> 00:31:49,740
by Marcia Smith who was directing the

760
00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:51,778
investigation for President Carter at

761
00:31:49,740 --> 00:31:54,599
the Congressional research service and

762
00:31:51,778 --> 00:31:55,980
she asked me if I would go to meet with

763
00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:58,199
the people at the jet propulsion

764
00:31:55,980 --> 00:32:00,179
laboratory in California in the seti

765
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:03,360
program the search for extraterrestrial

766
00:32:00,179 --> 00:32:05,640
intelligence and give them a briefing on

767
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:07,619
the theological implications

768
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:10,380
of contact with extraterrestrial

769
00:32:07,619 --> 00:32:12,778
intelligence so I was privileged to

770
00:32:10,380 --> 00:32:15,539
deliver a three-hour seminar to the top

771
00:32:12,778 --> 00:32:18,179
50 scientists in the the seti program on

772
00:32:15,538 --> 00:32:20,519
the theological implications of contact

773
00:32:18,179 --> 00:32:24,538
with an extraterrestrial intelligence

774
00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:27,058
and then in 1994 I was contacted by Dr

775
00:32:24,538 --> 00:32:28,798
John Mack who was the chairman of the

776
00:32:27,058 --> 00:32:30,418
Department of clinical Psychiatry at

777
00:32:28,798 --> 00:32:31,918
Harvard Medical School because I'd

778
00:32:30,419 --> 00:32:33,659
graduated from Harvard college and

779
00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:35,038
graduated from Harvard Law School where

780
00:32:33,659 --> 00:32:37,740
I was one of the founders of the Harvard

781
00:32:35,038 --> 00:32:39,619
civil rights law review and I had gone

782
00:32:37,740 --> 00:32:42,480
on to Harvard Divinity School

783
00:32:39,619 --> 00:32:44,459
and he contacted me and asked me if I

784
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:47,700
would represent him because he had

785
00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:50,700
written a book based upon his his

786
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:52,558
clinical assistance to high-level

787
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:55,080
military officials and others in the

788
00:32:52,558 --> 00:32:57,839
country who had been sent to have

789
00:32:55,079 --> 00:33:00,359
psychological background done on them

790
00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:02,519
who had reported these direct contacts

791
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:05,398
with extraterrestrial vehicles of this

792
00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:07,740
kind and when I met with him he had

793
00:33:05,398 --> 00:33:09,418
written this book in the The Faculty

794
00:33:07,740 --> 00:33:12,298
committee at Harvard University had

795
00:33:09,419 --> 00:33:13,860
called him into a session with the with

796
00:33:12,298 --> 00:33:16,558
the legal counsel from Harvard

797
00:33:13,859 --> 00:33:18,178
University and the head of the dean of

798
00:33:16,558 --> 00:33:20,278
the of the medical school

799
00:33:18,179 --> 00:33:22,620
getting ready to challenge his his

800
00:33:20,278 --> 00:33:24,839
tenure for his having written this book

801
00:33:22,619 --> 00:33:26,518
that it was undermining the world view

802
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:29,278
of Harvard University

803
00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:31,019
and uh so I we met with Lawrence

804
00:33:29,278 --> 00:33:33,179
Rockefeller and Lawrence Rockefeller

805
00:33:31,019 --> 00:33:36,359
agreed to fund what would really amount

806
00:33:33,179 --> 00:33:38,399
to a grand rounds to present to the

807
00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:40,918
Harvard faculty all of the basic

808
00:33:38,398 --> 00:33:44,038
information that we had on the existence

809
00:33:40,919 --> 00:33:44,940
of UFOs and they then dropped the

810
00:33:44,038 --> 00:33:46,740
hearings

811
00:33:44,940 --> 00:33:49,440
and said they didn't they didn't want to

812
00:33:46,740 --> 00:33:52,558
have this hearings turned into a circus

813
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:55,558
now those those were my initial contacts

814
00:33:52,558 --> 00:33:57,720
with them and so I I have delivered a

815
00:33:55,558 --> 00:34:00,119
number of uh presentations to the

816
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:03,000
international UFO Congress over the the

817
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:04,678
years uh on the theological implications

818
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,000
of contact with an extraterrestrial

819
00:34:04,679 --> 00:34:08,940
civilization

820
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:11,159
and as you may know the Vatican has now

821
00:34:08,940 --> 00:34:13,019
uh started to issue press statements

822
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:15,300
they actually held a major press

823
00:34:13,019 --> 00:34:17,579
conference talking about the fact that

824
00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:21,000
in light of the more recent discoveries

825
00:34:17,579 --> 00:34:23,819
of the increasing number of planets that

826
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:26,280
they now realize I have sons in

827
00:34:23,820 --> 00:34:28,500
atmosphere and are in what they call the

828
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,839
Goldilocks zone it's close they're close

829
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:33,179
enough to their Planet their their son

830
00:34:30,838 --> 00:34:35,759
in the Solar their solar systems but not

831
00:34:33,179 --> 00:34:38,280
so far away that they're likely to have

832
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,619
potential life on them and as these

833
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,000
planets began to multiply the Vatican

834
00:34:40,619 --> 00:34:44,700
has now held an official press

835
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:47,219
conference announcing that they in fact

836
00:34:44,699 --> 00:34:48,719
have now taken the position that the

837
00:34:47,219 --> 00:34:51,598
discovery of extraterrestrial

838
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,819
intelligence in a highly technologically

839
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:56,760
developed intelligence is not

840
00:34:53,820 --> 00:34:59,039
inconsistent with Catholic theology

841
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,660
and that is that is what is going on

842
00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:03,480
right now there are very high level

843
00:35:00,659 --> 00:35:04,559
meetings going on right now with the new

844
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,838
pope

845
00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:08,838
to discuss what positions are going to

846
00:35:06,838 --> 00:35:11,279
be taken by the by the international

847
00:35:08,838 --> 00:35:13,679
Catholic church with regard to the

848
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,420
theology my my understanding is as

849
00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:17,578
former Chief counsel for the Jesuits

850
00:35:15,420 --> 00:35:19,500
that the fact is that the Catholic

851
00:35:17,579 --> 00:35:22,560
church does not want to be behind the

852
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:24,539
power curve on this issue and they

853
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:26,099
realize that with the increasing contact

854
00:35:24,539 --> 00:35:28,019
and discovery of these additional

855
00:35:26,099 --> 00:35:30,180
planets that it's going to become clear

856
00:35:28,019 --> 00:35:31,320
within our generation within our

857
00:35:30,179 --> 00:35:33,480
lifetimes

858
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,119
that in fact highly technologically

859
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,940
developed extraterrestrial intelligence

860
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:40,680
actually exists and the findings of the

861
00:35:38,940 --> 00:35:42,720
Congressional research service that were

862
00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:45,239
delivered to the president to President

863
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,219
Carter is that based upon all of their

864
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,299
analysis that they have come to the

865
00:35:47,219 --> 00:35:50,039
conclusion this is an official

866
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:53,039
conclusion of the Congressional research

867
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:56,039
service that they have come to a 95

868
00:35:53,039 --> 00:36:00,059
probability projection that there are

869
00:35:56,039 --> 00:36:02,279
from two to ten highly technologically

870
00:36:00,059 --> 00:36:04,500
developed extraterrestrial civilizations

871
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,380
within our own Galaxy

872
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:10,199
now and remember in closing they're in

873
00:36:07,380 --> 00:36:14,400
our galaxy The Milky Way galaxy there

874
00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:16,259
are 50 billion star systems

875
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:19,440
in our galaxy

876
00:36:16,260 --> 00:36:22,700
and there are 50 billion

877
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,700
trillion galaxies

878
00:36:22,858 --> 00:36:26,578
that are now known

879
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,838
the question in the abiding question and

880
00:36:26,579 --> 00:36:29,640
it's the one that you and I discussed

881
00:36:27,838 --> 00:36:32,639
last night Congressman Bartlett had

882
00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:35,460
these vehicles developed the capacity

883
00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:37,139
to transport Vehicles beyond the speed

884
00:36:35,460 --> 00:36:40,079
of light

885
00:36:37,139 --> 00:36:43,078
because if they have then all these

886
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:45,000
questions now become focused that that

887
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:47,640
means that they would be able to be here

888
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,260
come here and go and if they have then

889
00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:50,879
all of these sightings that we've talked

890
00:36:49,260 --> 00:36:52,980
about all these hundreds of witnesses

891
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,920
that we've talked about then are talking

892
00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:58,139
about a very real phenomenon and I'll

893
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,639
close with this one observation when I

894
00:36:58,139 --> 00:37:02,639
was I was legal counsel for the Iran

895
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:04,319
Contra investigations that we were the

896
00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:06,799
ones that actually initially discovered

897
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:09,720
the Iran Contra weapons Supply

898
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:12,300
trafficking and when I delivered this

899
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,618
information to Peter rodino who was at

900
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:15,180
the time the chair of the Judiciary

901
00:37:13,619 --> 00:37:17,460
Committee of the house

902
00:37:15,179 --> 00:37:19,379
through Scott Armstrong Scott Armstrong

903
00:37:17,460 --> 00:37:21,119
he's over a call was the staff person on

904
00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:22,559
radino's staff of the Judiciary

905
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:25,559
Committee during the Watergate

906
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:27,659
investigations who discovered the taping

907
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:30,119
system in the White House that Alexander

908
00:37:27,659 --> 00:37:31,739
Butterfield revealed this to Scott so I

909
00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:33,358
went and brought this information to him

910
00:37:31,739 --> 00:37:35,578
and because of his close relationship

911
00:37:33,358 --> 00:37:37,019
with Peter rodino he delivered all of

912
00:37:35,579 --> 00:37:39,000
the information we had about the

913
00:37:37,019 --> 00:37:41,039
off-the-shelf Enterprise the involvement

914
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:44,280
of Poindexter and everyone else

915
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:47,039
and the response of Peter redino was he

916
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,839
said Scott he said my God he said if

917
00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:50,639
what you're telling me is true about

918
00:37:48,838 --> 00:37:52,500
this off-the-shelf Enterprise going on

919
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:55,199
delivering these weapons contrary to the

920
00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:56,940
orders of Congress why then he said I've

921
00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:58,618
been telling my constituencies that they

922
00:37:56,940 --> 00:38:00,000
didn't like the way that American policy

923
00:37:58,619 --> 00:38:02,280
was going that they should write a

924
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,900
letter to their congressperson

925
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,040
and if their congressperson didn't do

926
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:07,079
what they wanted them to do you should

927
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:09,719
vote for someone else for Congress

928
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:12,420
but if what you're telling me is true

929
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,919
Scott my God we haven't even been in

930
00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:15,720
control

931
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,039
I'm not going to allow the Congress of

932
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,059
the United States to investigate

933
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:20,059
anything like that

934
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,338
and that's the issue that's before us

935
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:26,099
now

936
00:38:23,338 --> 00:38:27,539
because if in fact we're not in Ultimate

937
00:38:26,099 --> 00:38:28,859
control

938
00:38:27,539 --> 00:38:30,239
and there is an extraterrestrial

939
00:38:28,858 --> 00:38:32,279
intelligence of this type of

940
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,439
sophistication that's been visiting our

941
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,780
planet and entering our airspace and

942
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,358
outmaneuvering our aircraft it's

943
00:38:36,780 --> 00:38:41,640
perfectly clear that from a political

944
00:38:39,358 --> 00:38:43,199
Consciousness that abides inside our

945
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:44,578
executive branch and inside our

946
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:47,338
legislature

947
00:38:44,579 --> 00:38:48,180
that is not something that they want to

948
00:38:47,338 --> 00:38:50,639
share

949
00:38:48,179 --> 00:38:52,500
with the American people because it

950
00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:54,299
would ultimately undermine the

951
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:57,440
confidence of the governed

952
00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:57,440
in their governors

953
00:38:58,250 --> 00:39:10,010
[Applause]

954
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:17,400
my name is Lieutenant Colonel Richard

955
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:20,160
French

956
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:23,460
I am one of the writers of the original

957
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:27,118
Air Force Blue Book I was a student at

958
00:39:23,460 --> 00:39:29,940
Oregon State starting in 1947 and in my

959
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:32,400
junior year I was asked what specialty I

960
00:39:29,940 --> 00:39:35,159
wanted to be assigned when I graduated

961
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,740
an advisor told me about the office of

962
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:40,259
special investigations it sounded like

963
00:39:37,739 --> 00:39:43,858
an exciting and glamorous job

964
00:39:40,260 --> 00:39:46,980
so I volunteered Brigadier General Carol

965
00:39:43,858 --> 00:39:49,619
and if a former FBI director of the of

966
00:39:46,980 --> 00:39:51,960
the Washington District was commissioned

967
00:39:49,619 --> 00:39:53,039
as an Air Force General and assumed

968
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,480
command of

969
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:56,480
The OSI

970
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:02,338
The OSI of course has also given the

971
00:39:59,940 --> 00:40:05,400
added responsibility of investigating

972
00:40:02,338 --> 00:40:08,699
the phenomenon of unidentified flying

973
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:10,740
objects The OSI assignment required that

974
00:40:08,699 --> 00:40:12,779
I have final top secret clearance

975
00:40:10,739 --> 00:40:14,039
granted before I could even report for

976
00:40:12,780 --> 00:40:16,140
Duty

977
00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:19,079
that caused a delay in my reporting

978
00:40:16,139 --> 00:40:22,319
because I in fact am adopted in all of

979
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:24,480
my uh medical and birth records and all

980
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,640
that are sealed

981
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,480
after a year they straightened out that

982
00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:30,420
mess

983
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:33,000
and I reported to do 20 and McCourt Air

984
00:40:30,420 --> 00:40:35,519
Force Base Washington there my training

985
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,719
officer was a special agent named John

986
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:39,119
drayos

987
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:42,838
under his supervision I began

988
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:44,579
investigating uf5 UFO reports and

989
00:40:42,838 --> 00:40:46,199
recording the incidents in the Air

990
00:40:44,579 --> 00:40:50,220
Force's Blue Book

991
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:52,439
the most controversial UFO incident that

992
00:40:50,219 --> 00:40:54,959
occurred in my early training and it

993
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,659
deserved special Mansion because of its

994
00:40:54,960 --> 00:41:02,639
unique Factor

995
00:40:57,659 --> 00:41:05,179
an f-100d pilot had was well they

996
00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:07,679
launched the D's they launched them

997
00:41:05,179 --> 00:41:09,960
normally in just in twos rather than

998
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:13,799
forms like tactical Fighters

999
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:17,099
anyway uh he pulled up on this UFO and

1000
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:19,560
it was approximately uh 30 yards

1001
00:41:17,099 --> 00:41:23,099
directly behind the thing

1002
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:26,219
the uh the after 86 today carries a

1003
00:41:23,099 --> 00:41:29,039
total of 36 two and a half

1004
00:41:26,219 --> 00:41:31,078
inch or two and a half let me get this

1005
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:34,079
straight uh

1006
00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:36,000
carries 36 of those two and a half inch

1007
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:38,280
uh

1008
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,820
the rockets and they're carried in a pod

1009
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:43,680
that drops and it drops in the

1010
00:41:40,820 --> 00:41:46,619
automatically pliers when it comes down

1011
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:49,799
well he got the clearance to fire which

1012
00:41:46,619 --> 00:41:54,420
kind of surprised everybody and but he

1013
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:57,680
blew that uh UFO eye of the sky but

1014
00:41:54,420 --> 00:42:01,338
there the problem is that uh

1015
00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:01,338
that is

1016
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:08,579
the the recording of the incident well

1017
00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:10,858
let me get this exactly right

1018
00:42:08,579 --> 00:42:13,019
the UFO intercept violated the

1019
00:42:10,858 --> 00:42:14,759
prohibited Zone at the hanford's atomic

1020
00:42:13,019 --> 00:42:16,500
energy facility

1021
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,420
he was a winged man and pulled up

1022
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:21,059
straight ahead and was given a clearance

1023
00:42:18,420 --> 00:42:23,039
to fire when the when the weapon fired

1024
00:42:21,059 --> 00:42:24,599
the Pod dropped but his airplane

1025
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:28,739
exploded

1026
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:31,740
they uh they drug the Colorado River I

1027
00:42:28,739 --> 00:42:35,399
mean the Columbia River and that's 60

1028
00:42:31,739 --> 00:42:37,500
mile area and they never found a piece

1029
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,139
or part or anything anything even

1030
00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:45,539
pertaining to it

1031
00:42:40,139 --> 00:42:49,500
and now the I mentioned that I had just

1032
00:42:45,539 --> 00:42:51,358
a very fast look at the magic report I

1033
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:53,519
hope you people are familiar with it but

1034
00:42:51,358 --> 00:42:57,299
if you're not it is the original report

1035
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:59,880
that was uh prepared President Truman

1036
00:42:57,300 --> 00:43:01,859
was a chairman the people who were on

1037
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,720
that committee and I just didn't just

1038
00:43:01,858 --> 00:43:06,239
get a very quick look at it but I could

1039
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,919
easily remember who they were because of

1040
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:11,219
who they were

1041
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:13,980
they they included the chiefs of the

1042
00:43:11,219 --> 00:43:17,639
president of course and also the Chiefs

1043
00:43:13,980 --> 00:43:20,039
of Staff of all of the Armed Forces arms

1044
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:22,679
of the United States in other words the

1045
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:26,659
chief of Naval operations in the head of

1046
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:26,659
the Coast Guard and on and on

1047
00:43:27,059 --> 00:43:33,349
and that terminates my presentation

1048
00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:36,529
[Applause]

1049
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:36,529
[Music]

1050
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,800
we have about 10 minutes for each member

1051
00:43:41,699 --> 00:43:45,960
of the six of you and that'll take us to

1052
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,180
1250.

1053
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,980
and I've been asked by both the chair

1054
00:43:48,179 --> 00:43:51,598
and the co-chair to give time reminders

1055
00:43:49,980 --> 00:43:53,280
as we're approaching that 10-minute

1056
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:55,500
limit for each of you so I'll do that as

1057
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,540
gently as possible my understanding is

1058
00:43:55,500 --> 00:44:02,280
that there will be time cue cards

1059
00:43:57,539 --> 00:44:04,739
visible to the panelists here and to uh

1060
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:07,140
the members back here so if we will

1061
00:44:04,739 --> 00:44:09,000
watch those and and and time ourselves I

1062
00:44:07,139 --> 00:44:10,559
remember a number of years ago I was

1063
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,800
traveling in a car and had my car radio

1064
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:15,838
on and there were two news accounts one

1065
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,940
was that there were some UFO sightings

1066
00:44:15,838 --> 00:44:20,219
over New Mexico

1067
00:44:17,940 --> 00:44:23,338
and the other was that there had been

1068
00:44:20,219 --> 00:44:26,039
two mysterious deaths in New York City

1069
00:44:23,338 --> 00:44:27,719
that might have been citacosis and if it

1070
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:29,400
was citicosis it might have come from

1071
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:32,159
dried pigeon manure

1072
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:34,200
so it was a serious suggestion that

1073
00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:35,818
maybe we ought to kill all the pigeons

1074
00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:38,098
in New York

1075
00:44:35,818 --> 00:44:39,659
well I listened to those two newscasts

1076
00:44:38,099 --> 00:44:42,000
and I thought gee if these flying

1077
00:44:39,659 --> 00:44:43,980
saucers are extraterrestrial I think I'd

1078
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:47,280
wander around a bit up there and watch

1079
00:44:43,980 --> 00:44:50,760
for a while yet before I landed

1080
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:52,859
uh you know as I said when we started

1081
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,960
this it is really enormously arrogant

1082
00:44:52,858 --> 00:44:58,199
and presumptive to believe that we're

1083
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,280
the most advanced civilization in the

1084
00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:01,980
universe

1085
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:04,079
we still fight stupid Wars and kill each

1086
00:45:01,980 --> 00:45:06,740
other this has to be a better way

1087
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:06,740
doesn't there

1088
00:45:10,858 --> 00:45:16,380
again I will reserve my question Until

1089
00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:18,960
the End uh my co-chair I I wanted to

1090
00:45:16,380 --> 00:45:21,660
mention one other thing all of the time

1091
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:24,599
and there's a period there that's about

1092
00:45:21,659 --> 00:45:28,259
12 years but during that 12-year period

1093
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:31,800
my primary job as a member of the OSI

1094
00:45:28,260 --> 00:45:33,960
was to debunk them in other words I I'd

1095
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:37,560
come up with any kind of explanation

1096
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:39,838
we'd say it was swamp gas or and you

1097
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:43,078
name it anything that we could come up

1098
00:45:39,838 --> 00:45:46,500
with to apparently convince the general

1099
00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:48,060
public and maintain the secrecy level on

1100
00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:50,940
that and

1101
00:45:48,059 --> 00:45:54,299
some of my answers I I swear were absurd

1102
00:45:50,940 --> 00:45:56,880
but the swamp gas for instance they were

1103
00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:59,400
at that time there was an average of

1104
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:03,180
about three a week UFOs had descended

1105
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:05,639
into the Gulf Breeze Florida area if you

1106
00:46:03,179 --> 00:46:07,440
know where that is it's just the where

1107
00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:12,539
the Panhandle is

1108
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:15,059
in Florida anyway I went down there and

1109
00:46:12,539 --> 00:46:16,858
we have observed them just regularly

1110
00:46:15,059 --> 00:46:19,259
just sit there every evening with a

1111
00:46:16,858 --> 00:46:20,818
cocktail and then they'd come

1112
00:46:19,260 --> 00:46:24,119
and

1113
00:46:20,818 --> 00:46:26,519
all right but what was it it was small

1114
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:28,680
gas that's what that was my lie and I

1115
00:46:26,519 --> 00:46:32,219
made good on it

1116
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:36,980
but that was my actual job

1117
00:46:32,219 --> 00:46:36,980
to be the most Artful lawyer on Earth

1118
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:43,078
thank you very much so uh Colonel French

1119
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:45,419
she did a good job of it obviously yeah

1120
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:49,920
thank you

1121
00:46:45,420 --> 00:46:53,780
so for all four of you I have

1122
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:56,358
starting to weigh on me

1123
00:46:53,780 --> 00:47:01,019
if um

1124
00:46:56,358 --> 00:47:03,480
transparency would reveal that uh

1125
00:47:01,019 --> 00:47:06,239
we really aren't in control

1126
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:09,119
uh that there are actually as

1127
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:12,299
intelligent or more like more than

1128
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:15,000
likely more intelligent light life form

1129
00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:16,380
than humans

1130
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:23,099
um

1131
00:47:16,380 --> 00:47:23,099
and that in so knowing and admitting

1132
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:29,219
would be dangerous

1133
00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:31,858
how do we that's a closed Circle folks

1134
00:47:29,219 --> 00:47:34,559
so what do you recommend how do you

1135
00:47:31,858 --> 00:47:36,239
recommend we handle this

1136
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:40,078
let's start with

1137
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:40,979
the colonel who won't tell us it's a gas

1138
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:42,500
form

1139
00:47:40,980 --> 00:47:46,139
well

1140
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:47,780
I I see no other way to attack than to

1141
00:47:46,139 --> 00:47:50,279
come up with some kind of international

1142
00:47:47,780 --> 00:47:53,640
organization something along the line of

1143
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:56,640
what we already have in him or some

1144
00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:58,920
similar governmental way and that

1145
00:47:56,639 --> 00:48:02,578
putting those people you know because

1146
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:05,400
when you when you think about it this

1147
00:48:02,579 --> 00:48:08,480
confronts religion directly and very

1148
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:11,818
firmly yeah and

1149
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:15,059
we we do need some type of organization

1150
00:48:11,818 --> 00:48:18,059
something that we know this and if need

1151
00:48:15,059 --> 00:48:20,059
be to contact these people from another

1152
00:48:18,059 --> 00:48:23,039
University

1153
00:48:20,059 --> 00:48:25,500
you know it's a lot better if you say hi

1154
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:27,300
buddy not try and shoot their tail end

1155
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:31,679
off

1156
00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:36,000
so so uh reclaiming my time to go on to

1157
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:37,858
you you um Daniel but let me add a piece

1158
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,659
to this now

1159
00:48:37,858 --> 00:48:40,639
um

1160
00:48:38,659 --> 00:48:43,559
then

1161
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:49,259
how will

1162
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:52,739
the United States for one uh give up uh

1163
00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:57,119
our rights as an Our National Security

1164
00:48:52,739 --> 00:48:59,098
rights if we went on to uh

1165
00:48:57,119 --> 00:49:02,400
cooperate with the United Nations on

1166
00:48:59,099 --> 00:49:05,280
this yes this this is a this is a world

1167
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:07,079
view issue that uh one one of the things

1168
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,579
that I discovered after a number of

1169
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:09,960
years in practice that the reason I

1170
00:49:08,579 --> 00:49:11,640
ended up going back to Harvard Divinity

1171
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,559
School to study after spending a number

1172
00:49:11,639 --> 00:49:16,318
of years out practicing law

1173
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:19,259
was that that this is a world view issue

1174
00:49:16,318 --> 00:49:21,960
that that people don't think about this

1175
00:49:19,260 --> 00:49:23,880
very often but the reality is there's a

1176
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,220
spectrum of World Views that are shared

1177
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,900
by our human family uh the political

1178
00:49:26,219 --> 00:49:29,879
manifestation of which or the political

1179
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:32,519
philosophy of which is you have people

1180
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,740
who are authoritarians you have people

1181
00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:36,780
who are reactionaries you have people

1182
00:49:34,739 --> 00:49:38,818
who are conservatives you have people

1183
00:49:36,780 --> 00:49:40,560
who are moderates you have people who

1184
00:49:38,818 --> 00:49:42,599
are liberals you have people who are

1185
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:45,358
progressives then you have people who

1186
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:48,000
are basically referred to as utopianists

1187
00:49:45,358 --> 00:49:49,619
uh who tend to be theological for the

1188
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,659
most part but there's a whole eighth

1189
00:49:49,619 --> 00:49:53,700
world view there's an octave of World

1190
00:49:51,659 --> 00:49:55,858
Views and there's a new world view that

1191
00:49:53,699 --> 00:49:57,299
is in the offing right now and that is

1192
00:49:55,858 --> 00:49:59,639
the world view that is going to have to

1193
00:49:57,300 --> 00:50:02,220
be addressed by our human family once we

1194
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:05,159
come to acknowledge that there are in

1195
00:50:02,219 --> 00:50:07,379
fact there's a super sophisticated

1196
00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:10,139
highly intelligent extraterrestrial

1197
00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:12,300
civilization and that there may be more

1198
00:50:10,139 --> 00:50:14,219
than one of these species okay I'm going

1199
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:16,019
to reclaim my time because I wanted to

1200
00:50:14,219 --> 00:50:17,879
know how to get break through this thing

1201
00:50:16,019 --> 00:50:19,380
it's a new world view we have to we have

1202
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,599
to construct a new world okay you're

1203
00:50:19,380 --> 00:50:24,539
gonna you're suggesting that we're gonna

1204
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:28,140
take on a new world view if that's what

1205
00:50:24,539 --> 00:50:32,639
it takes to happen uh or if we're a long

1206
00:50:28,139 --> 00:50:35,219
way from that Tony Mr who nails

1207
00:50:32,639 --> 00:50:37,618
well you know every so often things

1208
00:50:35,219 --> 00:50:40,139
happen in the history of the world that

1209
00:50:37,619 --> 00:50:42,119
change that lead to a complete change

1210
00:50:40,139 --> 00:50:44,039
and

1211
00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:46,260
um that was the case when America was

1212
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:48,239
discovered and it was called a new world

1213
00:50:46,260 --> 00:50:49,980
even though it was part of the same

1214
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:53,818
world but at that time you know it

1215
00:50:49,980 --> 00:50:56,400
completely changed the Paradigm of uh of

1216
00:50:53,818 --> 00:50:58,318
the of the late medieval period and

1217
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,480
there was even discussions whether you

1218
00:50:58,318 --> 00:51:03,420
know maybe the Earth Paradise was in

1219
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:05,940
America or whether the natives Americans

1220
00:51:03,420 --> 00:51:08,159
had it sold it you know it was a whole

1221
00:51:05,940 --> 00:51:10,559
kind of uh huge discussion and

1222
00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:14,879
eventually obviously we're here so it

1223
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:17,519
worked out in uh same thing when the the

1224
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:20,099
atomic bomb was was released you know

1225
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:23,219
dropped in Japan that changed the

1226
00:51:20,099 --> 00:51:26,940
Paradigm of that period so I think this

1227
00:51:23,219 --> 00:51:28,439
is the next Frontier and uh I don't

1228
00:51:26,940 --> 00:51:31,260
think it's going to be as as difficult

1229
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:33,900
as it seems because we're kind of

1230
00:51:31,260 --> 00:51:35,760
conditioned already by by the by the

1231
00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:39,180
media and by the entertainment industry

1232
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:41,640
I mean if even when I started this this

1233
00:51:39,179 --> 00:51:44,879
business of third world such as we could

1234
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:47,818
call it a business this this Duty many

1235
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:51,180
years ago it the attitude of people was

1236
00:51:47,818 --> 00:51:54,058
was very negative uh really UFOs were

1237
00:51:51,179 --> 00:51:56,759
considered like uh like a cookie subject

1238
00:51:54,059 --> 00:51:58,619
you know and now people if you ask a

1239
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,720
Young Generation for them he says well

1240
00:51:58,619 --> 00:52:02,818
what's the big deal it's obvious that

1241
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:06,058
there's life in the in the in the in the

1242
00:52:02,818 --> 00:52:10,318
universe so I don't know exactly how it

1243
00:52:06,059 --> 00:52:12,300
will happen but uh but it will and uh

1244
00:52:10,318 --> 00:52:14,699
and we will have to adjust and move

1245
00:52:12,300 --> 00:52:16,740
forward so I guess it's a good thing we

1246
00:52:14,699 --> 00:52:19,799
have the entertainment industry to turn

1247
00:52:16,739 --> 00:52:21,179
on people's imaginations Richard uh yes

1248
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,460
thank you for this question it's very

1249
00:52:21,179 --> 00:52:24,960
important I often think you know no

1250
00:52:23,460 --> 00:52:27,019
parent is ever ready for their first

1251
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:30,179
child but they happen anyway

1252
00:52:27,019 --> 00:52:32,219
uh disclosure of this reality you know

1253
00:52:30,179 --> 00:52:34,440
we may or may not be ready for it we

1254
00:52:32,219 --> 00:52:36,118
probably won't be ready for it frankly I

1255
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,639
think that our society is going through

1256
00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:41,099
such a tremendous Revolution uh this

1257
00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:43,739
isn't 1990 certainly in the 1950 and so

1258
00:52:41,099 --> 00:52:46,019
we have capabilities today that I think

1259
00:52:43,739 --> 00:52:47,519
are forcing this issue out Wikileaks

1260
00:52:46,019 --> 00:52:48,900
didn't exist 10 years ago because it

1261
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:51,539
couldn't exist it wasn't a global

1262
00:52:48,900 --> 00:52:53,039
infrastructure uh cell phone cameras all

1263
00:52:51,539 --> 00:52:54,358
of this this is all new so I think

1264
00:52:53,039 --> 00:52:57,300
something's going to happen is going to

1265
00:52:54,358 --> 00:52:59,759
force this out front and center and uh

1266
00:52:57,300 --> 00:53:01,318
my suspicion I can only guess is that

1267
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,000
those people who have

1268
00:53:01,318 --> 00:53:04,920
knowledge on this and I think there are

1269
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,059
such people must be aware they must be

1270
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,980
aware that they cannot keep the secret

1271
00:53:06,059 --> 00:53:11,579
forever I think the wise thing to do

1272
00:53:07,980 --> 00:53:14,159
would be uh judiciously and responsibly

1273
00:53:11,579 --> 00:53:15,780
to begin allowing some of this

1274
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:18,539
information out there maybe there are

1275
00:53:15,780 --> 00:53:20,880
controlled leaks today I do think that

1276
00:53:18,539 --> 00:53:22,139
when this issue this matter is out on

1277
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,700
the table that doesn't mean all the

1278
00:53:22,139 --> 00:53:26,159
answers will be there it just means that

1279
00:53:23,699 --> 00:53:28,858
we'll be able publicly

1280
00:53:26,159 --> 00:53:30,659
uh without all the you know

1281
00:53:28,858 --> 00:53:33,598
joking and ridicule to be able to talk

1282
00:53:30,659 --> 00:53:35,460
about it as a public policy issue uh I

1283
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:37,619
also think that this will necessitate a

1284
00:53:35,460 --> 00:53:39,659
geopolitical revolution you mentioned

1285
00:53:37,619 --> 00:53:41,338
the issues of U.S national security well

1286
00:53:39,659 --> 00:53:42,899
there's other countries in the world and

1287
00:53:41,338 --> 00:53:46,318
they're all going to be affected by this

1288
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:49,559
and so it will have to be necessary for

1289
00:53:46,318 --> 00:53:51,300
there to be a true United Nation

1290
00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:53,040
something that actually works that

1291
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:55,260
people can um

1292
00:53:53,039 --> 00:53:56,579
believe in because without that I think

1293
00:53:55,260 --> 00:53:57,960
it's just going to be do I have any more

1294
00:53:56,579 --> 00:54:01,260
time

1295
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:04,318
two minutes that's the the next uh

1296
00:54:01,260 --> 00:54:06,000
discussion I would like to go from

1297
00:54:04,318 --> 00:54:07,679
we're worried about airspace how about

1298
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,159
cyberspace

1299
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:10,159
so

1300
00:54:10,260 --> 00:54:15,000
I'm mad

1301
00:54:11,780 --> 00:54:16,559
basically I mean my background is I have

1302
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,719
more combat than

1303
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:21,839
virtually anyone you'll ever meet I have

1304
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:23,338
more than 800 combat missions 860 and

1305
00:54:21,838 --> 00:54:26,519
jet fighters

1306
00:54:23,338 --> 00:54:29,039
so I'm not afraid of battle obviously

1307
00:54:26,519 --> 00:54:32,099
the dumbest thing we could possibly do

1308
00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:34,338
is weaponize space and I've been in that

1309
00:54:32,099 --> 00:54:37,920
argument several times

1310
00:54:34,338 --> 00:54:40,578
and it would be absurd to do that thank

1311
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:45,059
you thank you

1312
00:54:40,579 --> 00:54:46,859
cyberspace that uh one minute it's quite

1313
00:54:45,059 --> 00:54:48,720
it's quite clear that the technology

1314
00:54:46,858 --> 00:54:51,179
that seems to be at the disposal of this

1315
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:53,399
civilization is able to access you know

1316
00:54:51,179 --> 00:54:56,519
if the FBI can tap into your internet

1317
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:58,740
and then clearly they can too so they're

1318
00:54:56,519 --> 00:55:00,780
monitoring undoubtedly monitoring all

1319
00:54:58,739 --> 00:55:03,000
the communications that are going on and

1320
00:55:00,780 --> 00:55:06,300
I would dare say that there is a process

1321
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:08,880
going on of Feathering into our culture

1322
00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:12,300
Information Technology

1323
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:14,338
Etc that is going to soften this blow

1324
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:16,260
that there's a process going on of

1325
00:55:14,338 --> 00:55:17,219
released information of contact

1326
00:55:16,260 --> 00:55:20,640
information

1327
00:55:17,219 --> 00:55:22,679
Etc and I find it based on 40 Years of

1328
00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:26,519
doing these kind of Investigations of

1329
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:28,019
Watergate Iran Contra and others that

1330
00:55:26,519 --> 00:55:29,639
I've been directly involved in that

1331
00:55:28,019 --> 00:55:32,818
there's clearly going to be a decision

1332
00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:34,858
made by very high level people above all

1333
00:55:32,818 --> 00:55:37,079
of our pay grades here I say with all

1334
00:55:34,858 --> 00:55:38,460
due respect from Congress people that

1335
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:40,318
there'll be a decision made to start

1336
00:55:38,460 --> 00:55:42,420
Feathering information into the the

1337
00:55:40,318 --> 00:55:44,338
culture to prepare our people for this

1338
00:55:42,420 --> 00:55:47,900
rather gradually which has been going on

1339
00:55:44,338 --> 00:55:47,900
now for the last 60 years

1340
00:55:53,099 --> 00:55:58,318
Congressman Kilpatrick

1341
00:55:55,858 --> 00:55:59,639
thank you very much I think I want to

1342
00:55:58,318 --> 00:56:01,440
start with the colonel

1343
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:03,299
I served on the Air Force Academy board

1344
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:06,240
for about six years in my 12-year

1345
00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:07,680
10-year 14 years in Congress started

1346
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,299
building the Appropriations defense

1347
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:10,980
committee first African-American woman

1348
00:56:09,300 --> 00:56:12,720
ever to serve there it's only been three

1349
00:56:10,980 --> 00:56:13,619
in the history of our two thousand year

1350
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,078
country

1351
00:56:13,619 --> 00:56:18,240
it's outrageous we really believe that

1352
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:20,818
women have something to offer so I

1353
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:23,399
really appreciate your service

1354
00:56:20,818 --> 00:56:24,838
right right we come from a let's work

1355
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,519
this out kind of thing so we wouldn't

1356
00:56:24,838 --> 00:56:27,659
have this problem if we win we control

1357
00:56:26,519 --> 00:56:30,920
the world

1358
00:56:27,659 --> 00:56:34,139
but um having said that

1359
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:36,960
Colonel I really appreciate your service

1360
00:56:34,139 --> 00:56:39,299
your time your dedication 800 plus I've

1361
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,760
been all over the world with the uh

1362
00:56:39,300 --> 00:56:43,740
defense department and it's been quite

1363
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,900
quite an experience for me and it's

1364
00:56:43,739 --> 00:56:48,239
really capitalized and captured my

1365
00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:51,420
tenure in Congress really

1366
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:53,639
why is it that when you were there

1367
00:56:51,420 --> 00:56:55,440
you couldn't talk about it everything

1368
00:56:53,639 --> 00:56:57,420
I've read and seen that everybody hush

1369
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,858
hushed it I know wait wait let me do I

1370
00:56:57,420 --> 00:57:01,200
want you to do the whole question

1371
00:56:58,858 --> 00:57:02,578
the whole question I know and I know a

1372
00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:04,558
lot of it's you know from the

1373
00:57:02,579 --> 00:57:05,940
presidential right on down to the Joint

1374
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:07,200
chief of staff and one of you all spoke

1375
00:57:05,940 --> 00:57:08,280
to that and we're going to get back you

1376
00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:11,039
didn't call it by that name but that's

1377
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:13,200
kind of what it was uh that Truman had

1378
00:57:11,039 --> 00:57:15,058
exactly as a matter of fact why is it

1379
00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:16,618
now that you're at the table uh

1380
00:57:15,059 --> 00:57:18,059
discussing it with us acknowledging that

1381
00:57:16,619 --> 00:57:21,180
it is

1382
00:57:18,059 --> 00:57:24,420
he probably that's because I'm in my 80s

1383
00:57:21,179 --> 00:57:25,500
I've praise God okay Harris here is the

1384
00:57:24,420 --> 00:57:29,280
problem

1385
00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:32,639
and if you had a government job you had

1386
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:36,240
to have you need to be in what they call

1387
00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:38,940
humanly reliable in other words you had

1388
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:42,118
if you they thought you were a Maniac or

1389
00:57:38,940 --> 00:57:45,300
something you'd lose your wings and lose

1390
00:57:42,119 --> 00:57:48,539
your job and so forth so anyway I think

1391
00:57:45,300 --> 00:57:50,760
it's because of that the uh basically

1392
00:57:48,539 --> 00:57:52,079
the human reliability problem that the

1393
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,540
fact

1394
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:56,519
there there are some real lunatics in

1395
00:57:54,539 --> 00:57:58,139
various places and you can't identify

1396
00:57:56,519 --> 00:58:02,338
them well enough

1397
00:57:58,139 --> 00:58:04,558
and then they won't submit uh well they

1398
00:58:02,338 --> 00:58:08,699
have a problem with next they can if

1399
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:09,960
they have a have a child that is ill

1400
00:58:08,699 --> 00:58:12,239
mentally

1401
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:15,000
what do you do

1402
00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:16,558
you believe today that as you sit here

1403
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,980
with us and former members of Congress

1404
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:22,140
80 plus years of experience having uh

1405
00:58:19,980 --> 00:58:22,980
now before this committee whose time has

1406
00:58:22,139 --> 00:58:25,259
come

1407
00:58:22,980 --> 00:58:26,579
since 1968 there's been no hearing as

1408
00:58:25,260 --> 00:58:28,079
you know we're moving to that and I

1409
00:58:26,579 --> 00:58:31,200
don't know that the answer is another

1410
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:33,000
hearing right now I'm afraid for that

1411
00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:35,039
um it I heard this discussion this

1412
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,659
morning there's a lot of private things

1413
00:58:35,039 --> 00:58:38,639
going on I'd like to see Partnerships

1414
00:58:36,659 --> 00:58:41,098
private public I think that's when

1415
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:42,779
Americans get our best bet when we come

1416
00:58:41,099 --> 00:58:44,660
together as a nation and a private

1417
00:58:42,780 --> 00:58:47,819
public kind of atmosphere

1418
00:58:44,659 --> 00:58:50,098
when you talk about what you just said

1419
00:58:47,818 --> 00:58:51,719
and I agree that it's urgent I think

1420
00:58:50,099 --> 00:58:53,818
somebody at the table mentioned coming

1421
00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:54,899
together and acknowledging it which we

1422
00:58:53,818 --> 00:58:56,279
haven't done as this country other

1423
00:58:54,900 --> 00:58:58,740
countries are beginning to do that and

1424
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:02,040
some were mentioned this morning

1425
00:58:58,739 --> 00:59:04,979
um do you think the Air Force will ever

1426
00:59:02,039 --> 00:59:06,779
come to that point and is it a domestic

1427
00:59:04,980 --> 00:59:08,880
International

1428
00:59:06,780 --> 00:59:10,619
partnership that we need how how would

1429
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,720
you begin it you know you come with the

1430
00:59:10,619 --> 00:59:15,660
credibility necessary and I don't think

1431
00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:18,118
we got much Choice it's something's got

1432
00:59:15,659 --> 00:59:19,980
to be done and you all have to help us

1433
00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:22,280
formulate that too I agree with that

1434
00:59:19,980 --> 00:59:24,599
thank you very much for your service

1435
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:26,400
Mr Sheehan

1436
00:59:24,599 --> 00:59:28,318
you talked about which is worse that's

1437
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,240
how you ended that Dynamic presentation

1438
00:59:28,318 --> 00:59:32,759
that you had which is which which is

1439
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:35,519
worse do we try to put this together and

1440
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:37,380
save ourselves with the world or do we

1441
00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:39,179
continue to put our heads in the sand

1442
00:59:37,380 --> 00:59:42,180
that it doesn't exist and you know that

1443
00:59:39,179 --> 00:59:44,279
it does I'm at a loss I you all are

1444
00:59:42,179 --> 00:59:46,078
giving us good information and we I

1445
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,339
think um those in the audience want us

1446
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:49,798
to come up with some kind of

1447
00:59:47,338 --> 00:59:52,078
recommendations and I can't have it both

1448
00:59:49,798 --> 00:59:53,940
ways you got to be solid it's a it's a

1449
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:56,400
very difficult issue in the in the

1450
00:59:53,940 --> 00:59:57,780
because of the the job assignments when

1451
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,940
a person is a congressional

1452
00:59:57,780 --> 01:00:02,099
representative for example and has the

1453
00:59:59,940 --> 01:00:04,139
duty of representing her or his

1454
01:00:02,099 --> 01:00:06,599
congressional district in the interests

1455
01:00:04,139 --> 01:00:08,400
that are there it's a job and as you

1456
01:00:06,599 --> 01:00:10,019
know a significant number of the

1457
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,119
Congress people are lawyers they view

1458
01:00:10,019 --> 01:00:14,699
themselves as representing a certain

1459
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:16,500
client base and the problem is is that

1460
01:00:14,699 --> 01:00:19,558
we represent if we represent a nation

1461
01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:21,539
state and we insist upon maintaining the

1462
01:00:19,559 --> 01:00:23,880
the special privilege of our citizens

1463
01:00:21,539 --> 01:00:26,159
the special access we have to resources

1464
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:28,740
in the world Etc even to the detriment

1465
01:00:26,159 --> 01:00:30,719
of other other nation states we're still

1466
01:00:28,739 --> 01:00:32,279
at a level of Consciousness that is very

1467
01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:35,338
dangerous

1468
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:36,960
talking too much yeah break it down for

1469
01:00:35,338 --> 01:00:38,338
me you gotta get me give me two three

1470
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,139
points I mean we only have a lot of time

1471
01:00:38,338 --> 01:00:41,639
and I love everything you said yeah but

1472
01:00:40,139 --> 01:00:42,719
don't give it to me back we got to have

1473
01:00:41,639 --> 01:00:44,578
something to hold on to when you're

1474
01:00:42,719 --> 01:00:47,699
we're going to we're going to have to

1475
01:00:44,579 --> 01:00:50,039
yield some of our national sovereignty

1476
01:00:47,699 --> 01:00:51,659
to an inner to a global body like the

1477
01:00:50,039 --> 01:00:53,099
United Nations okay right there we're

1478
01:00:51,659 --> 01:00:54,719
not doing that I mean we got the

1479
01:00:53,099 --> 01:00:56,579
leadership presence now who'd only

1480
01:00:54,719 --> 01:00:58,739
acknowledge that exists so we're not

1481
01:00:56,579 --> 01:01:00,359
going to yield anything it's got to be

1482
01:00:58,739 --> 01:01:02,279
approached to it maybe we do it better

1483
01:01:00,358 --> 01:01:04,739
because we're former elected officials

1484
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:06,119
public policy makers can't say it like

1485
01:01:04,739 --> 01:01:07,979
that because the wall goes up and you

1486
01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:10,318
don't get past it it's got to be a

1487
01:01:07,980 --> 01:01:12,838
better way to say that and begin to do

1488
01:01:10,318 --> 01:01:14,699
some of what you suggest and it'll come

1489
01:01:12,838 --> 01:01:17,039
probably through religious communities

1490
01:01:14,699 --> 01:01:20,219
that the the altering of Consciousness

1491
01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:22,558
with regard to an Angelic realm a

1492
01:01:20,219 --> 01:01:24,598
another dimension of reality that's

1493
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:26,519
where most people categorize these types

1494
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:28,740
of discussions that's where you worked

1495
01:01:26,519 --> 01:01:30,480
with the Jesuit yes a coordination

1496
01:01:28,739 --> 01:01:31,858
Coalition I think that's a good night

1497
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,358
that's a good start because I think you

1498
01:01:31,858 --> 01:01:35,219
can't leave out Private Industry I think

1499
01:01:33,358 --> 01:01:38,400
you can't think about the universities I

1500
01:01:35,219 --> 01:01:40,558
mean it's got to be a major Coalition of

1501
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:42,119
things and institutions in our country

1502
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:44,460
and around the world that would come

1503
01:01:42,119 --> 01:01:46,619
together more than one time with experts

1504
01:01:44,460 --> 01:01:48,599
like yourselves and laymen like us and

1505
01:01:46,619 --> 01:01:51,059
others who have interest in the issue

1506
01:01:48,599 --> 01:01:52,440
because it is a world phenomenon and if

1507
01:01:51,059 --> 01:01:54,359
we keep acting like it doesn't exist

1508
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,579
then we all lose the world loses that's

1509
01:01:54,358 --> 01:01:58,500
right so you know I know I think time is

1510
01:01:56,579 --> 01:02:00,900
urgent and I'm very new at the issue so

1511
01:01:58,500 --> 01:02:02,880
I'm just learning it even as a member of

1512
01:02:00,900 --> 01:02:05,160
the appropriate armed service committee

1513
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:07,260
we tacitly touched it but then it goes

1514
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:09,000
away even at the Academy where we're

1515
01:02:07,260 --> 01:02:11,880
outstanding young men and women who

1516
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:13,440
dedicate their lives to this country and

1517
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,358
they have some things that they look at

1518
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,700
and then it's put away it's it's in the

1519
01:02:15,358 --> 01:02:20,719
it's in the Air Force Academy exactly

1520
01:02:17,699 --> 01:02:22,739
exactly how to address

1521
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:24,239
I was going to go to the airport do you

1522
01:02:22,739 --> 01:02:25,979
feel the urgency do you all feel the

1523
01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:27,058
urgency and I'm going to ask um I'm

1524
01:02:25,980 --> 01:02:29,460
going to say your name wrong thank you

1525
01:02:27,059 --> 01:02:31,140
very much Mr she had the Earth is there

1526
01:02:29,460 --> 01:02:34,099
an urgency here are we just here just

1527
01:02:31,139 --> 01:02:34,098
just talking

1528
01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:42,599
normally people have put it away I mean

1529
01:02:39,179 --> 01:02:44,719
officially right governments but I think

1530
01:02:42,599 --> 01:02:47,760
in a way there is because the potential

1531
01:02:44,719 --> 01:02:49,919
uh is is it has a very good potential

1532
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:52,319
like I said in my statement it could

1533
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:54,420
really do the trick that anything else

1534
01:02:52,318 --> 01:02:55,980
everything else has failed you know what

1535
01:02:54,420 --> 01:02:59,099
do we do in this earth we have

1536
01:02:55,980 --> 01:03:03,059
tremendous problems uh besides this

1537
01:02:59,099 --> 01:03:06,838
issue uh environmental problems uh

1538
01:03:03,059 --> 01:03:09,119
um hunger and so on you know and somehow

1539
01:03:06,838 --> 01:03:11,639
we don't seem to be able to deal with

1540
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:13,160
them as a as a world society there's

1541
01:03:11,639 --> 01:03:16,440
just too much

1542
01:03:13,159 --> 01:03:18,358
fighting and in ideological differences

1543
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,880
and religious differences the issue of

1544
01:03:18,358 --> 01:03:23,338
religious is very important look at all

1545
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:26,519
the recent uh problems we've had

1546
01:03:23,338 --> 01:03:29,039
internationally you know uh with certain

1547
01:03:26,519 --> 01:03:31,019
factions of the Islamic religion and all

1548
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:35,279
that in fact I wrote an article in in

1549
01:03:31,019 --> 01:03:37,380
the magazine about the UFOs in Islam and

1550
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,780
uh and with which is quite interesting

1551
01:03:37,380 --> 01:03:42,059
thing for me to to research that and

1552
01:03:39,780 --> 01:03:45,240
like all religions you know again you

1553
01:03:42,059 --> 01:03:49,019
have many factions within a religion uh

1554
01:03:45,239 --> 01:03:51,838
I do agree with with Daniel probably if

1555
01:03:49,019 --> 01:03:54,659
if the pope and in other religious

1556
01:03:51,838 --> 01:03:57,119
figures they might be the the way to do

1557
01:03:54,659 --> 01:03:59,639
it that that may do the trick rather

1558
01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:01,318
than the political will because you know

1559
01:03:59,639 --> 01:04:03,480
how politics are yeah I mean you know

1560
01:04:01,318 --> 01:04:04,858
better than we do how okay things again

1561
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,420
I actually have a minute left thank you

1562
01:04:04,858 --> 01:04:07,980
very much for that just just some kind

1563
01:04:06,420 --> 01:04:09,420
of summary and try to understand it as

1564
01:04:07,980 --> 01:04:11,219
an appropriator

1565
01:04:09,420 --> 01:04:13,200
12 years on the federal Appropriations

1566
01:04:11,219 --> 01:04:15,719
Committee with a budget of nearly three

1567
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:18,539
trillion dollars biggest being the armed

1568
01:04:15,719 --> 01:04:19,558
services of 700 billion dollars now

1569
01:04:18,539 --> 01:04:21,298
we're on our knees we don't have the

1570
01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:23,519
money for this or that could this

1571
01:04:21,298 --> 01:04:25,318
possibly be something that can save our

1572
01:04:23,519 --> 01:04:28,619
budget get more resources make it

1573
01:04:25,318 --> 01:04:30,119
Universal offer some kind of I'm looking

1574
01:04:28,619 --> 01:04:31,740
at it from Appropriations Point there's

1575
01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:33,000
got to be some coming together we spent

1576
01:04:31,739 --> 01:04:34,919
a lot of money doing a lot of things

1577
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,420
that never happened quick answer I sit

1578
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:39,119
here as an appropriator looking for

1579
01:04:36,420 --> 01:04:41,880
dollars to help save America First and

1580
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:44,280
incidentally help the rest of the world

1581
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,838
sorry to interrupt there anything that

1582
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:48,420
can allow an object to loiter

1583
01:04:45,838 --> 01:04:49,619
indefinitely instantly accelerate and do

1584
01:04:48,420 --> 01:04:51,780
it all silently is using something

1585
01:04:49,619 --> 01:04:54,180
better than petroleum for it moving

1586
01:04:51,780 --> 01:04:56,940
around so there there must be whatever

1587
01:04:54,179 --> 01:04:58,558
that answer is there must be something

1588
01:04:56,940 --> 01:05:01,440
implicit in the reality of this

1589
01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:03,059
phenomenon that will actually be a game

1590
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,980
changer and that's that's really one

1591
01:05:03,059 --> 01:05:06,420
hope we've got everything so messed up

1592
01:05:04,980 --> 01:05:08,219
in every other way looking at the world

1593
01:05:06,420 --> 01:05:11,539
we're not cooperating we're fighting but

1594
01:05:08,219 --> 01:05:14,939
if if this is real if there is a energy

1595
01:05:11,539 --> 01:05:16,858
Paradigm solution here in the UFO

1596
01:05:14,940 --> 01:05:18,298
phenomenon that by itself is worth every

1597
01:05:16,858 --> 01:05:21,358
single effort that we can make to get

1598
01:05:18,298 --> 01:05:24,199
that out in the open thank you thank you

1599
01:05:21,358 --> 01:05:24,199
thank you

1600
01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:32,179
thank you

1601
01:05:27,858 --> 01:05:32,179
thank you very much Senator gravel

1602
01:05:32,818 --> 01:05:37,500
it's not only the problem of the

1603
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,700
Congress it's the problem of the

1604
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:41,460
American people

1605
01:05:38,699 --> 01:05:43,858
which has been propagandized by the

1606
01:05:41,460 --> 01:05:46,199
Congress and its leadership that we are

1607
01:05:43,858 --> 01:05:49,380
superior As Americans to anybody else in

1608
01:05:46,199 --> 01:05:51,779
the world that's the problem if we're

1609
01:05:49,380 --> 01:05:55,680
going to have a global Community we must

1610
01:05:51,780 --> 01:05:58,400
put our humanness first before our

1611
01:05:55,679 --> 01:05:58,399
nationality

1612
01:05:59,099 --> 01:06:05,579
and and what what the testimony that I

1613
01:06:02,460 --> 01:06:09,900
read is that you're talking about a

1614
01:06:05,579 --> 01:06:13,079
paradigm change in global governance now

1615
01:06:09,900 --> 01:06:15,838
let me ask this as a favor to you to us

1616
01:06:13,079 --> 01:06:18,420
uh for this immediate hearing

1617
01:06:15,838 --> 01:06:22,259
would you Antonio get together with

1618
01:06:18,420 --> 01:06:26,159
Daniel and the others and draft draft a

1619
01:06:22,260 --> 01:06:28,740
resolution that we could decide upon at

1620
01:06:26,159 --> 01:06:30,899
the end of the hearings on Friday to

1621
01:06:28,739 --> 01:06:33,199
recommend the creation of a United

1622
01:06:30,900 --> 01:06:36,960
Nations agency

1623
01:06:33,199 --> 01:06:40,139
using the Granada precedent and already

1624
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:42,420
the numbers the resolutions have been so

1625
01:06:40,139 --> 01:06:45,000
you draft that it's that doesn't have to

1626
01:06:42,420 --> 01:06:48,180
be 20 Pages it could be one page maybe

1627
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:50,940
two paragraphs you draft this so that we

1628
01:06:48,179 --> 01:06:53,038
can get our hands around something in

1629
01:06:50,940 --> 01:06:56,039
this regard and then we'll have to make

1630
01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:59,099
a decision are we prepared as former

1631
01:06:56,039 --> 01:07:01,140
public officials as private citizens to

1632
01:06:59,099 --> 01:07:04,160
put our money where our mouth is and

1633
01:07:01,139 --> 01:07:07,078
that is to be globalist before we become

1634
01:07:04,159 --> 01:07:09,779
nationalists and that's the answer yes

1635
01:07:07,079 --> 01:07:13,318
so if you could provide us with that

1636
01:07:09,780 --> 01:07:15,119
documentary be deeply in your debt as on

1637
01:07:13,318 --> 01:07:16,619
this side of the table I would say I

1638
01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:18,119
could start that a little bit it because

1639
01:07:16,619 --> 01:07:19,858
there's a there's a provision in the

1640
01:07:18,119 --> 01:07:22,440
United Nations which is called unite

1641
01:07:19,858 --> 01:07:24,719
uniting for peace resolution and Henry

1642
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:26,460
Kissinger told us about this in gov 180

1643
01:07:24,719 --> 01:07:28,379
at Harvard College and he said if the

1644
01:07:26,460 --> 01:07:31,679
world population ever finds out about

1645
01:07:28,380 --> 01:07:33,119
this we are all in trouble he said I was

1646
01:07:31,679 --> 01:07:35,038
kind of wondering who he met and he's

1647
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:36,960
right yeah the government the leadership

1648
01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:38,520
is going to be in trouble once the

1649
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:41,460
people wake up that's right but you need

1650
01:07:38,519 --> 01:07:42,900
a device and right now the device is the

1651
01:07:41,460 --> 01:07:46,260
knowledge that you're bringing forward

1652
01:07:42,900 --> 01:07:48,960
that we're trying to observe here so

1653
01:07:46,260 --> 01:07:51,000
first would you bring that resolution as

1654
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:53,338
soon as you can we'll circulate it among

1655
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:55,318
the members and the leadership of the

1656
01:07:53,338 --> 01:07:57,779
Paradigm research group and we can just

1657
01:07:55,318 --> 01:08:03,058
to seek to exciting now the question I

1658
01:07:57,780 --> 01:08:06,599
would ask uh Mr Dolan uh you mentioned

1659
01:08:03,059 --> 01:08:09,180
uh that the compendium of documents that

1660
01:08:06,599 --> 01:08:12,240
you're aware of uh has come about

1661
01:08:09,179 --> 01:08:14,818
through Freedom of Information Act has

1662
01:08:12,239 --> 01:08:18,539
come about by accident in many regards

1663
01:08:14,818 --> 01:08:21,899
is there anything out there that that

1664
01:08:18,539 --> 01:08:25,019
document wise backs up the Roswell

1665
01:08:21,899 --> 01:08:27,659
incident that is the crash and the

1666
01:08:25,020 --> 01:08:30,299
humanoids is there any document that we

1667
01:08:27,659 --> 01:08:31,619
could hand put our hands on yeah yes sir

1668
01:08:30,298 --> 01:08:34,079
there are there are a few very

1669
01:08:31,619 --> 01:08:37,619
interesting documents even uh as early

1670
01:08:34,079 --> 01:08:41,460
as July 1947 FBI

1671
01:08:37,619 --> 01:08:43,738
uh which was involved in investigating

1672
01:08:41,460 --> 01:08:48,060
the so-called flying saucers very

1673
01:08:43,738 --> 01:08:51,599
actively had a memo indicating that um

1674
01:08:48,060 --> 01:08:53,819
the uh debris or whatever was recovered

1675
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:56,400
at Roswell was being transferred to

1676
01:08:53,819 --> 01:08:57,560
right field Dayton Ohio U.S Air Force

1677
01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:59,460
Headquarters

1678
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,199
I think that's rather interesting

1679
01:08:59,460 --> 01:09:03,899
whatever this was if it was some kind of

1680
01:09:01,198 --> 01:09:06,059
balloon apparatus I think we could ask

1681
01:09:03,899 --> 01:09:07,198
why why would that be transferred to to

1682
01:09:06,060 --> 01:09:09,179
right field

1683
01:09:07,198 --> 01:09:10,619
so that's interesting there there are a

1684
01:09:09,179 --> 01:09:12,500
number of other

1685
01:09:10,619 --> 01:09:16,259
um

1686
01:09:12,500 --> 01:09:18,420
documents that talk about

1687
01:09:16,259 --> 01:09:20,579
rumors within the military discussions

1688
01:09:18,420 --> 01:09:22,619
of um

1689
01:09:20,579 --> 01:09:24,838
that's not good enough right no no

1690
01:09:22,619 --> 01:09:27,059
that's hearsay but regarding Ross but

1691
01:09:24,838 --> 01:09:29,159
there was in back in 1994 the general

1692
01:09:27,060 --> 01:09:30,719
Accounting Office of Congress was was

1693
01:09:29,159 --> 01:09:32,099
tasked with looking into the Roswell

1694
01:09:30,719 --> 01:09:34,500
incident

1695
01:09:32,100 --> 01:09:36,660
all right and this was on the initiative

1696
01:09:34,500 --> 01:09:37,979
of late representative Stephen Schiff of

1697
01:09:36,659 --> 01:09:40,619
New Mexico

1698
01:09:37,979 --> 01:09:44,039
whose constituents asked him to do this

1699
01:09:40,619 --> 01:09:46,198
and he and he did uh Schiff talked about

1700
01:09:44,039 --> 01:09:47,838
this at length about how the Air Force

1701
01:09:46,198 --> 01:09:49,919
and the Pentagon just stonewalled him

1702
01:09:47,838 --> 01:09:53,399
gave him nothing gave him a lot of

1703
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:56,039
expletives as well uh in the process but

1704
01:09:53,399 --> 01:09:59,579
what the gaos investigation

1705
01:09:56,039 --> 01:10:02,659
was that the relevant records at Roswell

1706
01:09:59,579 --> 01:10:06,059
from the end of 1946 into I think

1707
01:10:02,659 --> 01:10:08,340
1948-49 were gone all the records that

1708
01:10:06,060 --> 01:10:12,000
they were looking for that they expected

1709
01:10:08,340 --> 01:10:14,039
to find were surprised not there

1710
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,840
and uh there was no explanation given

1711
01:10:14,039 --> 01:10:17,359
these were records according to the GAO

1712
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:20,340
that should not have been

1713
01:10:17,359 --> 01:10:21,960
ever removed they were permanent but

1714
01:10:20,340 --> 01:10:24,420
they were they were gone and the Air

1715
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:26,520
Force by the way was very very Deft in

1716
01:10:24,420 --> 01:10:28,260
their handling of this because while the

1717
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,820
GAO investigation was going on the

1718
01:10:28,260 --> 01:10:30,960
United States Air Force took the

1719
01:10:29,819 --> 01:10:34,979
initiative

1720
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:37,679
and did their own study quote unquote

1721
01:10:34,979 --> 01:10:39,359
study in which they beat the GAO to the

1722
01:10:37,679 --> 01:10:41,219
punch in terms of publicity got their

1723
01:10:39,359 --> 01:10:43,559
own thing out there and said oh

1724
01:10:41,219 --> 01:10:45,239
yeah it was a classified balloon project

1725
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:47,219
known as mogul

1726
01:10:45,238 --> 01:10:48,779
which was designed to test to see

1727
01:10:47,219 --> 01:10:50,399
whether the Soviets were detonating

1728
01:10:48,779 --> 01:10:53,279
their own atomic

1729
01:10:50,399 --> 01:10:54,479
uh it's a big big fat report it looks

1730
01:10:53,279 --> 01:10:56,158
very impressive when you actually read

1731
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:59,039
it it's a

1732
01:10:56,158 --> 01:11:00,599
it's a load of fluff in my opinion but

1733
01:10:59,039 --> 01:11:02,219
that was their explanation they beat the

1734
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:06,480
GAO to the punch and so they won the pr

1735
01:11:02,219 --> 01:11:10,260
warm good thank you the Mr Sheen would

1736
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:13,039
you address uh briefly what is the

1737
01:11:10,260 --> 01:11:16,920
theological implication

1738
01:11:13,039 --> 01:11:19,859
briefly yeah it's uh coming coming to

1739
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:21,480
grips with the full import of the

1740
01:11:19,859 --> 01:11:25,439
theological reality

1741
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:27,599
uh is what undergirds all of this is

1742
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:32,519
that for for each of us to recognize

1743
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:33,659
that we are incarnated in in a material

1744
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,159
form

1745
01:11:33,658 --> 01:11:38,099
but that there are other vibrational

1746
01:11:35,158 --> 01:11:41,339
frequencies at which there are other

1747
01:11:38,100 --> 01:11:44,940
dimensions of reality going on at the

1748
01:11:41,340 --> 01:11:46,739
same time uh our our theology is the

1749
01:11:44,939 --> 01:11:49,019
realm in which we deal with it it's a

1750
01:11:46,738 --> 01:11:51,419
category of knowledge in the Human

1751
01:11:49,020 --> 01:11:53,640
family in which we deal with other

1752
01:11:51,420 --> 01:11:55,980
dimensions of reality

1753
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:57,480
what happens after death how did we get

1754
01:11:55,979 --> 01:11:59,519
here what are we doing here what's our

1755
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:02,279
ultimate purpose these are things that

1756
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:04,679
are raised by the UFO issue and that's

1757
01:12:02,279 --> 01:12:06,300
why I reiterate that it's theology it's

1758
01:12:04,679 --> 01:12:09,239
in the realm of theology that we have to

1759
01:12:06,300 --> 01:12:11,039
come to address this and when we when we

1760
01:12:09,238 --> 01:12:14,218
do what we're going to discover is that

1761
01:12:11,039 --> 01:12:15,300
we're going to draw down into our

1762
01:12:14,219 --> 01:12:17,279
culture

1763
01:12:15,300 --> 01:12:19,140
a lot of those same realities that for

1764
01:12:17,279 --> 01:12:20,460
example the Native American culture and

1765
01:12:19,140 --> 01:12:23,360
some of the Aboriginal cultures

1766
01:12:20,460 --> 01:12:26,579
understand that they are in a dynamic

1767
01:12:23,359 --> 01:12:29,939
relationship with other dimensions other

1768
01:12:26,579 --> 01:12:32,158
vibrational frequencies uh and that our

1769
01:12:29,939 --> 01:12:34,259
culture our culture has closed itself

1770
01:12:32,158 --> 01:12:36,119
off from that from the from the time of

1771
01:12:34,260 --> 01:12:39,179
the Enlightenment in trying to Define

1772
01:12:36,119 --> 01:12:42,059
ourselves as separated individuated

1773
01:12:39,179 --> 01:12:45,539
intellectual beings and that we're not

1774
01:12:42,060 --> 01:12:47,880
in a harmonious uh in in balanced

1775
01:12:45,539 --> 01:12:49,800
relationship with the rest of reality

1776
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,659
the consequences of course are falling

1777
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:53,579
upon us now because of the global

1778
01:12:51,658 --> 01:12:55,799
climate change that we're experiencing

1779
01:12:53,579 --> 01:12:58,198
the contamination of our environment by

1780
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:59,520
ourselves and this is the crisis I think

1781
01:12:58,198 --> 01:13:01,859
one of the crises that's going to

1782
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:04,199
confront us and that my sense is that

1783
01:13:01,859 --> 01:13:06,059
we're going to become much more if we

1784
01:13:04,198 --> 01:13:07,678
probe into the Theology of all of this

1785
01:13:06,060 --> 01:13:09,840
we're going to come to have a much more

1786
01:13:07,679 --> 01:13:12,779
profound appreciation for the Native

1787
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:14,880
American culture and the Theology of the

1788
01:13:12,779 --> 01:13:17,698
Native American culture and the faculty

1789
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:20,579
of of intuitional perception that our

1790
01:13:17,698 --> 01:13:23,039
human family has which is a faculty

1791
01:13:20,579 --> 01:13:25,619
that's evolving uh teleologically in our

1792
01:13:23,039 --> 01:13:27,359
culture and this is what Tejada chardan

1793
01:13:25,619 --> 01:13:29,519
has dealt with it within the Jesuits

1794
01:13:27,359 --> 01:13:31,738
it's a It's The Cutting Edge of modern

1795
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:34,080
Theology and the insights that we've

1796
01:13:31,738 --> 01:13:37,919
gained now through quantum physics since

1797
01:13:34,079 --> 01:13:40,859
1923 to 1926 we have to integrate into

1798
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:43,260
our scientific worldview the insights of

1799
01:13:40,859 --> 01:13:45,420
quantum physics and we have to begin to

1800
01:13:43,260 --> 01:13:47,880
readjust our basic worldview as I

1801
01:13:45,420 --> 01:13:50,819
pointed out before to evolve a new world

1802
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:52,679
view that integrates these capabilities

1803
01:13:50,819 --> 01:13:53,670
thank you very much I yield back the

1804
01:13:52,679 --> 01:13:58,679
balance for my time

1805
01:13:53,670 --> 01:14:01,380
[Applause]

1806
01:13:58,679 --> 01:14:04,380
Congressman cook

1807
01:14:01,380 --> 01:14:08,359
I would like to start by asking Colonel

1808
01:14:04,380 --> 01:14:11,819
French you were involved in the uh

1809
01:14:08,359 --> 01:14:13,079
initiations of the Blue Book processes

1810
01:14:11,819 --> 01:14:16,259
because

1811
01:14:13,079 --> 01:14:18,840
could you elaborate a little more on

1812
01:14:16,260 --> 01:14:20,039
what you found out from that and

1813
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:22,440
especially

1814
01:14:20,039 --> 01:14:24,479
so I have a better understanding of how

1815
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:27,479
that uh

1816
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:29,698
got stopped or discarded or what exactly

1817
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:32,658
happened on the blue book and how long

1818
01:14:29,698 --> 01:14:35,099
did that go on I just need a better

1819
01:14:32,658 --> 01:14:38,879
understanding curve if you don't mind

1820
01:14:35,100 --> 01:14:41,699
too much but they asked about what

1821
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:45,779
happened to the the results of the

1822
01:14:41,698 --> 01:14:48,779
accident at Alamogordo yeah well all of

1823
01:14:45,779 --> 01:14:50,819
that that was taken to what is called

1824
01:14:48,779 --> 01:14:53,399
the foreign technology division at

1825
01:14:50,819 --> 01:14:57,599
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base and what

1826
01:14:53,399 --> 01:15:00,779
was shipped there was physical debris uh

1827
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:05,100
actually parts of some kind of airplane

1828
01:15:00,779 --> 01:15:08,399
another unusual aspect of it was uh

1829
01:15:05,100 --> 01:15:11,579
though the metal wasn't it wasn't any

1830
01:15:08,399 --> 01:15:13,679
thicker than cellophane I mean just but

1831
01:15:11,579 --> 01:15:15,658
you put it in your hand and you crush it

1832
01:15:13,679 --> 01:15:18,840
together and it flops right back into

1833
01:15:15,658 --> 01:15:21,839
shape with had it analyzed it didn't

1834
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:24,719
come from Earth there's no known

1835
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:26,880
we have no known source of whatever that

1836
01:15:24,719 --> 01:15:30,480
metal was

1837
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:32,400
yes you've actually uh held some of that

1838
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:35,039
yeah

1839
01:15:32,399 --> 01:15:37,019
and so is Marcel

1840
01:15:35,039 --> 01:15:38,579
I guess they want to sell but did the

1841
01:15:37,020 --> 01:15:41,820
same thing no

1842
01:15:38,579 --> 01:15:43,859
and uh and I understand from uh

1843
01:15:41,819 --> 01:15:46,439
from from the Roswell basically what's

1844
01:15:43,859 --> 01:15:48,198
generally called the Roswell incident uh

1845
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:50,178
I realized there were several different

1846
01:15:48,198 --> 01:15:53,639
locations of

1847
01:15:50,179 --> 01:15:55,380
materials gathered up

1848
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:58,140
there were dozens and dozens of

1849
01:15:55,380 --> 01:16:00,420
Witnesses on the materials and you're

1850
01:15:58,140 --> 01:16:02,460
clearly one of them and one of the

1851
01:16:00,420 --> 01:16:03,960
you know at least in terms of the

1852
01:16:02,460 --> 01:16:05,158
analysis of the materials not

1853
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,380
necessarily

1854
01:16:05,158 --> 01:16:09,479
Gathering them up but

1855
01:16:07,380 --> 01:16:12,480
tell us about

1856
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:15,839
were there Witnesses of any

1857
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:18,658
uh has been referred to as a humanoid oh

1858
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:21,000
yes but but and who because you don't

1859
01:16:18,658 --> 01:16:23,399
hear nearly as much about that but yeah

1860
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:26,340
we're taken to the foreign technology

1861
01:16:23,399 --> 01:16:28,979
division there were if I remember it was

1862
01:16:26,340 --> 01:16:31,260
about eight or nine Corpses

1863
01:16:28,979 --> 01:16:34,678
and I'm more interested right now in the

1864
01:16:31,260 --> 01:16:37,500
witnesses to that I've read the accounts

1865
01:16:34,679 --> 01:16:39,319
but worth it there were many witnesses

1866
01:16:37,500 --> 01:16:43,520
of material I would point you to anyone

1867
01:16:39,319 --> 01:16:47,279
that can add to that except uh

1868
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:49,500
Marcel okay because he he was the first

1869
01:16:47,279 --> 01:16:52,819
one to pick it up

1870
01:16:49,500 --> 01:16:55,679
went out to the crash Police Stopped the

1871
01:16:52,819 --> 01:16:58,380
pieces of the airplane

1872
01:16:55,679 --> 01:16:59,940
and there were specific markings on them

1873
01:16:58,380 --> 01:17:02,100
like they were identification numbers

1874
01:16:59,939 --> 01:17:04,439
for parts or something of that nature

1875
01:17:02,100 --> 01:17:06,120
but it would look like rather like

1876
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:09,139
Arabic writing it didn't look like

1877
01:17:06,119 --> 01:17:11,880
anything from our

1878
01:17:09,140 --> 01:17:14,280
did Marcel indicate that he had actually

1879
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:16,619
witnessed the humanoid part

1880
01:17:14,279 --> 01:17:19,319
I know he witnessed the uh

1881
01:17:16,619 --> 01:17:21,658
the answer over here well and please if

1882
01:17:19,319 --> 01:17:24,000
anybody can illuminate first of all

1883
01:17:21,658 --> 01:17:24,960
there are quite many many witnesses of

1884
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,460
course who've gone on the record about

1885
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:29,579
Roswell unfortunately we'll have a

1886
01:17:26,460 --> 01:17:31,140
Roswell panel here uh oh maybe I'm yeah

1887
01:17:29,579 --> 01:17:33,119
and there are a number of uh researchers

1888
01:17:31,140 --> 01:17:35,880
have specialized in that my question was

1889
01:17:33,119 --> 01:17:38,460
it started off as the blue book but Blue

1890
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:41,340
Book was the U.S Air Force official uh

1891
01:17:38,460 --> 01:17:42,920
public investigative body of UFOs from

1892
01:17:41,340 --> 01:17:45,659
uh

1893
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:47,039
1940 and actually it was it was a

1894
01:17:45,658 --> 01:17:49,619
successor of a couple of previous ones

1895
01:17:47,039 --> 01:17:51,899
started 1952 went up to 1969 when it was

1896
01:17:49,619 --> 01:17:54,179
closed down okay but it did include some

1897
01:17:51,899 --> 01:17:55,979
of the Roswell stuff it included nothing

1898
01:17:54,179 --> 01:17:58,800
at Roswell the blue book They're they're

1899
01:17:55,979 --> 01:18:01,139
no there's nothing okay so that was okay

1900
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:03,480
well I just I asked about the blue book

1901
01:18:01,140 --> 01:18:05,400
and nothing that happened when did you

1902
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:07,379
say it was uh closed down and what was

1903
01:18:05,399 --> 01:18:09,299
the reason at the end of 1969. what

1904
01:18:07,380 --> 01:18:11,760
happened in the 1960s is that the United

1905
01:18:09,300 --> 01:18:14,640
States had a big big wave of UFO

1906
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:16,739
sightings 1965-66 made the news Gerald

1907
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:19,800
Ford Congressman Michigan talked about

1908
01:18:16,738 --> 01:18:22,079
on the on a on the floor of Congress his

1909
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:24,539
constituents had seen UFOs and he was

1910
01:18:22,079 --> 01:18:26,340
not satisfied with the answers that were

1911
01:18:24,539 --> 01:18:28,319
coming from the Air Force and the

1912
01:18:26,340 --> 01:18:29,940
pressure was really on the United States

1913
01:18:28,319 --> 01:18:33,000
Air Force to do something about this

1914
01:18:29,939 --> 01:18:34,559
they it's hard to remember because it's

1915
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:36,119
so far back in time but the Air Force

1916
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:38,340
was losing a lot of credibility on this

1917
01:18:36,119 --> 01:18:40,319
a lot of people were not believing the

1918
01:18:38,340 --> 01:18:42,420
Air Force explanations and swamp gas

1919
01:18:40,319 --> 01:18:44,219
became a big National joke at that time

1920
01:18:42,420 --> 01:18:46,500
and so really all the Air Force wanted

1921
01:18:44,219 --> 01:18:48,840
to do is get rid of UFOs and so what

1922
01:18:46,500 --> 01:18:50,939
they ended up doing was a contracted

1923
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:53,699
with the University of Colorado

1924
01:18:50,939 --> 01:18:57,000
to conduct what was to be the the first

1925
01:18:53,698 --> 01:18:59,039
true public scientific investigation of

1926
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:01,319
UFOs and and the whole attitude was

1927
01:18:59,039 --> 01:19:03,000
whatever Colorado comes up with that's

1928
01:19:01,319 --> 01:19:06,719
what we're going to conclude

1929
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:09,119
and what what that that study did is a

1930
01:19:06,719 --> 01:19:10,560
that was a whole big mess and half the

1931
01:19:09,119 --> 01:19:12,779
scientists got fired Midway through the

1932
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:15,239
project because they were Believers the

1933
01:19:12,779 --> 01:19:16,859
the man running at Edward Condon was an

1934
01:19:15,238 --> 01:19:19,079
absolutely dead set against any kind of

1935
01:19:16,859 --> 01:19:21,299
pro-ufo uh Pro ET

1936
01:19:19,079 --> 01:19:23,640
So based on that recommendation the Air

1937
01:19:21,300 --> 01:19:25,380
Force was able to wash their hands say

1938
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,760
thank you very much and they said we're

1939
01:19:25,380 --> 01:19:28,859
out of the business we're not doing this

1940
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:30,539
anymore there's no way to retrieve any

1941
01:19:28,859 --> 01:19:32,460
of the I just got to make sure I

1942
01:19:30,539 --> 01:19:34,738
understand this and I appreciate it

1943
01:19:32,460 --> 01:19:37,020
because you've illuminated this greatly

1944
01:19:34,738 --> 01:19:38,759
for me was there any way to find out

1945
01:19:37,020 --> 01:19:41,159
exactly what was in

1946
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:44,400
the blue book at this point then

1947
01:19:41,158 --> 01:19:46,738
I'm looking for yes yes I mean well

1948
01:19:44,399 --> 01:19:49,079
the files they're still there they were

1949
01:19:46,738 --> 01:19:50,959
just saying they're absolutely being

1950
01:19:49,079 --> 01:19:54,019
covered up no no

1951
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:57,420
we can still read those okay well I was

1952
01:19:54,020 --> 01:19:59,640
on that issue the problem is yeah and

1953
01:19:57,420 --> 01:20:01,859
the problem is that Russell stuff is not

1954
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:03,780
in the Blue Book okay yeah now I've got

1955
01:20:01,859 --> 01:20:05,579
a better understanding of all that and

1956
01:20:03,779 --> 01:20:07,619
in the in the prior panel uh standing

1957
01:20:05,579 --> 01:20:10,198
Friedman referred to a memo by a general

1958
01:20:07,619 --> 01:20:13,738
Carol ballander in which he he stated in

1959
01:20:10,198 --> 01:20:16,799
closing Blue Book down in 1969 that UFO

1960
01:20:13,738 --> 01:20:19,019
reports affecting National Security were

1961
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:21,239
not part of the Blue Book system so blue

1962
01:20:19,020 --> 01:20:25,260
book I do remember him saying that yeah

1963
01:20:21,238 --> 01:20:27,178
if I could turn to uh Mr huneus and Mr

1964
01:20:25,260 --> 01:20:30,619
Sheehan

1965
01:20:27,179 --> 01:20:33,658
religion has been brought up and implied

1966
01:20:30,619 --> 01:20:36,479
in terms of this whole thing several

1967
01:20:33,658 --> 01:20:37,979
ways and um

1968
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:40,319
now you're not trying to say that just

1969
01:20:37,979 --> 01:20:43,279
because Pat Robertson has a particular

1970
01:20:40,319 --> 01:20:45,658
view or because uh popes in the past

1971
01:20:43,279 --> 01:20:47,819
have said things that clearly don't

1972
01:20:45,658 --> 01:20:49,920
agree with what you're saying is a

1973
01:20:47,819 --> 01:20:52,439
Jesuit right

1974
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:55,859
that religion is somehow against the

1975
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:57,960
idea of extraterrestrial life no in in

1976
01:20:55,859 --> 01:21:00,599
fact is quite the contrary that remember

1977
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:03,239
religion relig Arrow the Latin

1978
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:05,880
derivative of religion is to re-link

1979
01:21:03,238 --> 01:21:08,279
the whole idea of relinking uh the

1980
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:10,140
intellect in electus the the root of

1981
01:21:08,279 --> 01:21:12,779
intellect is in electus the ability to

1982
01:21:10,140 --> 01:21:14,460
distinguish the difference between

1983
01:21:12,779 --> 01:21:16,079
that whole ability that we developed

1984
01:21:14,460 --> 01:21:18,060
somewhere between Australopithecus and

1985
01:21:16,079 --> 01:21:21,000
Homo erectus this intellectual capacity

1986
01:21:18,060 --> 01:21:23,159
we alienated ourselves in a separate

1987
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:25,198
entity here behind our eyeballs from all

1988
01:21:23,158 --> 01:21:28,379
the rest of reality sure that's the

1989
01:21:25,198 --> 01:21:30,119
danger okay but I'm gonna kind of adjust

1990
01:21:28,380 --> 01:21:32,460
this a little bit

1991
01:21:30,119 --> 01:21:34,619
was there an implication that it's more

1992
01:21:32,460 --> 01:21:39,779
of the uh well let me just say this

1993
01:21:34,619 --> 01:21:42,119
going to Christian religions in specific

1994
01:21:39,779 --> 01:21:45,059
you think there's some bias against

1995
01:21:42,119 --> 01:21:46,260
the belief in extraterrestrial uh

1996
01:21:45,060 --> 01:21:48,780
because you were talking about maybe

1997
01:21:46,260 --> 01:21:50,280
we're going to have to accept this from

1998
01:21:48,779 --> 01:21:52,500
a different religious perspective or

1999
01:21:50,279 --> 01:21:54,359
something I think that within within one

2000
01:21:52,500 --> 01:21:56,158
of the features the unique features of

2001
01:21:54,359 --> 01:21:58,679
CR of Catholic christianology for

2002
01:21:56,158 --> 01:22:01,019
example is each of the World Views that

2003
01:21:58,679 --> 01:22:03,658
I'd pointed out that have political

2004
01:22:01,020 --> 01:22:06,120
implications there are subsets of

2005
01:22:03,658 --> 01:22:07,500
Catholic and Christian theology in all

2006
01:22:06,119 --> 01:22:10,260
of those so there's a reactionary

2007
01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:11,819
worldview that is fundamentalist that

2008
01:22:10,260 --> 01:22:14,940
everything is divided into good guys and

2009
01:22:11,819 --> 01:22:17,039
bad guys and the Satan in in Angelic

2010
01:22:14,939 --> 01:22:20,158
Realms and they've projected this

2011
01:22:17,039 --> 01:22:22,019
satanic reality that they have onto

2012
01:22:20,158 --> 01:22:25,259
extraterrestrials which is very very

2013
01:22:22,020 --> 01:22:28,199
dangerous well I would you know I'm not

2014
01:22:25,260 --> 01:22:31,020
in any way here to do missionary work

2015
01:22:28,198 --> 01:22:33,119
for my particular religious Faith or

2016
01:22:31,020 --> 01:22:36,120
certainly to speak for my religious

2017
01:22:33,119 --> 01:22:38,340
faith I'm a Mormon uh but on a

2018
01:22:36,119 --> 01:22:40,260
fundamental level many Mormons believe

2019
01:22:38,340 --> 01:22:42,779
it's consistent with doctors of the

2020
01:22:40,260 --> 01:22:46,140
church that there is life what's an

2021
01:22:42,779 --> 01:22:47,460
official outside the uh it's an official

2022
01:22:46,140 --> 01:22:49,199
Doctrine under the Church of Latter-day

2023
01:22:47,460 --> 01:22:50,698
Saints the actual belief in

2024
01:22:49,198 --> 01:22:51,899
extraterrestrial intelligence and I

2025
01:22:50,698 --> 01:22:54,619
wanted to make that point clear again

2026
01:22:51,899 --> 01:22:58,879
I'm not here for that no but it's true

2027
01:22:54,619 --> 01:23:00,420
but I'm I'm also

2028
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:02,819
hey

2029
01:23:00,420 --> 01:23:05,480
I think and I think most Mormons believe

2030
01:23:02,819 --> 01:23:08,340
as I do on that yes would still say

2031
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:10,979
that's still a leap

2032
01:23:08,340 --> 01:23:12,659
to say that we've had the visitation

2033
01:23:10,979 --> 01:23:15,299
and there's nothing in the religious

2034
01:23:12,658 --> 01:23:17,519
sense that would prohibit that

2035
01:23:15,300 --> 01:23:20,400
right but we need

2036
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:22,500
as strong in evidence as we can to help

2037
01:23:20,399 --> 01:23:24,238
this panel open up some Congressional

2038
01:23:22,500 --> 01:23:26,279
hearings and by the way I'm not giving

2039
01:23:24,238 --> 01:23:27,419
up on the United States Congress yet I

2040
01:23:26,279 --> 01:23:31,139
don't think we have to go to the United

2041
01:23:27,420 --> 01:23:34,020
Nations maybe that might be a way

2042
01:23:31,140 --> 01:23:36,179
but let's also try to open this up at

2043
01:23:34,020 --> 01:23:36,490
the United States Congress yes level I

2044
01:23:36,179 --> 01:23:41,239
agree

2045
01:23:36,489 --> 01:23:44,158
[Applause]

2046
01:23:41,238 --> 01:23:46,019
the Catholic position on all this well

2047
01:23:44,158 --> 01:23:47,279
my grandmother's a Catholic that's all I

2048
01:23:46,020 --> 01:23:49,460
have to do with the Catholic Church

2049
01:23:47,279 --> 01:23:52,380
however

2050
01:23:49,460 --> 01:23:54,779
it's very important one thing that the

2051
01:23:52,380 --> 01:23:57,600
Catholic church has done and believe it

2052
01:23:54,779 --> 01:24:01,079
or not that commissioned the building of

2053
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:04,440
a wide-angle lens to search the skies

2054
01:24:01,079 --> 01:24:07,979
for inbound UFO

2055
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:10,939
it's in Tucson Arizona believe it or not

2056
01:24:07,979 --> 01:24:10,939
okay well thank you

2057
01:24:14,219 --> 01:24:19,198
thank you very much congresswoman Huli

2058
01:24:17,279 --> 01:24:23,519
what kind of

2059
01:24:19,198 --> 01:24:26,099
I mean the reaction over the last

2060
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:28,860
30 40 years in the United States what

2061
01:24:26,100 --> 01:24:30,920
are what's the reaction and what's what

2062
01:24:28,859 --> 01:24:34,439
has happened in the rest of the world

2063
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:37,260
what's going on have there been

2064
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:39,419
sightings do they feel differently about

2065
01:24:37,260 --> 01:24:42,179
it than we've you know a lot of people

2066
01:24:39,420 --> 01:24:44,940
feel about it here what's happening

2067
01:24:42,179 --> 01:24:47,219
elsewhere well as I said in my statement

2068
01:24:44,939 --> 01:24:49,799
uh the one thing that I think even

2069
01:24:47,219 --> 01:24:51,960
Skeptics would have to agree is that the

2070
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:53,699
UFO phenomenon is worldwide it doesn't

2071
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:56,399
matter I mean it doesn't matter the

2072
01:24:53,698 --> 01:24:59,279
religion it doesn't matter the ethnic

2073
01:24:56,399 --> 01:25:01,559
origin the language the culture it has

2074
01:24:59,279 --> 01:25:04,079
been reported all over the world now

2075
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:05,880
there are some sociological differences

2076
01:25:04,079 --> 01:25:10,439
as you would expect right from different

2077
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:13,319
cultures but we see there's a quite a

2078
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:15,178
rich history of UFO even UFO

2079
01:25:13,319 --> 01:25:18,299
investigations official investigations

2080
01:25:15,179 --> 01:25:20,940
and we will be discussing this in in in

2081
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:23,460
in a few more sessions during this week

2082
01:25:20,939 --> 01:25:26,698
about investigations and we have in fact

2083
01:25:23,460 --> 01:25:27,739
with us some members from some of the

2084
01:25:26,698 --> 01:25:29,299
South American

2085
01:25:27,738 --> 01:25:33,299
agencies

2086
01:25:29,300 --> 01:25:34,400
so we've seen an opening uh in recent

2087
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:36,960
years

2088
01:25:34,399 --> 01:25:39,619
particularly in some European countries

2089
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:41,239
and and particularly in South America

2090
01:25:39,619 --> 01:25:44,760
now

2091
01:25:41,238 --> 01:25:46,919
or as it may seem it almost seems to be

2092
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:49,920
good politics now in South America to

2093
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:52,380
have a UFO investigation I know it

2094
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:56,100
sounds awkward by the the Latin culture

2095
01:25:52,380 --> 01:25:59,159
is more obviously more open uh there's a

2096
01:25:56,100 --> 01:26:01,560
much less ridicule in the media and all

2097
01:25:59,158 --> 01:26:04,319
that about this phenomenon and so we've

2098
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:06,360
seen a trend it started with Uruguay

2099
01:26:04,319 --> 01:26:08,099
back in the late 70s and we have a

2100
01:26:06,359 --> 01:26:12,658
representative that will be speaking

2101
01:26:08,100 --> 01:26:16,199
later in this week and then Chile Peru

2102
01:26:12,658 --> 01:26:18,719
Ecuador Brazil Argentina recently

2103
01:26:16,198 --> 01:26:21,539
announced the creation of of a UFO

2104
01:26:18,719 --> 01:26:23,100
agency within the Air Force what is

2105
01:26:21,539 --> 01:26:25,319
interesting about the South American

2106
01:26:23,100 --> 01:26:27,480
approach to this phenomenon from an

2107
01:26:25,319 --> 01:26:29,880
official point of view is that there's

2108
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:33,000
not an adversarial relationship between

2109
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:35,880
the official military agencies and the

2110
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:37,979
civilian UFO cities or UFO groups

2111
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:40,679
totally different from the United States

2112
01:26:37,979 --> 01:26:43,759
where we even in the days of Blue Book

2113
01:26:40,679 --> 01:26:46,380
there was always a big fight between

2114
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:48,659
ufologists civilian ufologists and the

2115
01:26:46,380 --> 01:26:50,579
air force that was classic you know if

2116
01:26:48,658 --> 01:26:52,500
you read the history of UFOs in the

2117
01:26:50,579 --> 01:26:54,119
United States but in South America and

2118
01:26:52,500 --> 01:26:56,880
it used to be a little bit like that too

2119
01:26:54,119 --> 01:27:00,779
in South America not as bad as here but

2120
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:03,600
now you see that they cooperate and they

2121
01:27:00,779 --> 01:27:05,460
usually what happens is because a lot of

2122
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:08,579
these agencies they have a limited

2123
01:27:05,460 --> 01:27:10,800
budget a small budget so they call for

2124
01:27:08,579 --> 01:27:13,679
volunteers from the civilian community

2125
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:15,360
and that Crea that shows us a model we

2126
01:27:13,679 --> 01:27:17,039
don't have to have an adversarial we

2127
01:27:15,359 --> 01:27:18,599
don't have to fight the government this

2128
01:27:17,039 --> 01:27:21,600
is a mystery we should all work together

2129
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:25,320
in order to solve this mystery so that

2130
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:28,079
that's at least some of what is going on

2131
01:27:25,319 --> 01:27:30,238
um but even Russia has had a lot of

2132
01:27:28,079 --> 01:27:32,939
official investigations even under the

2133
01:27:30,238 --> 01:27:34,979
Soviet Union there were committees uh

2134
01:27:32,939 --> 01:27:36,960
from the they were actually two

2135
01:27:34,979 --> 01:27:40,379
committees that were that were going on

2136
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:43,500
in the late 70s and 80s one was a public

2137
01:27:40,380 --> 01:27:45,420
one uh through the Soviet Academy of

2138
01:27:43,500 --> 01:27:48,539
Sciences and the other one was a secret

2139
01:27:45,420 --> 01:27:50,239
one by the KGB and the ministry of

2140
01:27:48,539 --> 01:27:53,519
Defense the Soviet military

2141
01:27:50,238 --> 01:27:55,619
nobody knew about that one publicly but

2142
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:57,780
the scientific one was or even

2143
01:27:55,619 --> 01:27:59,399
officially revealed even in the control

2144
01:27:57,779 --> 01:28:01,920
Soviet media

2145
01:27:59,399 --> 01:28:05,759
and then of course under Gorbachev in

2146
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:07,980
the 1980s glasnost it opened up and the

2147
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:11,219
UFO phenomenon became very very popular

2148
01:28:07,979 --> 01:28:14,759
in uh in in in in the late Soviet

2149
01:28:11,219 --> 01:28:18,300
society and into modern Russia so uh

2150
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:20,219
China has had kind of a semi-official uh

2151
01:28:18,300 --> 01:28:22,679
organization called the China UFO

2152
01:28:20,219 --> 01:28:24,840
research organization we will have one

2153
01:28:22,679 --> 01:28:28,380
of its founding members here also

2154
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:30,840
attending this hearing so yes you see it

2155
01:28:28,380 --> 01:28:33,420
all over the world in in other countries

2156
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:34,619
actually have a more open attitude I

2157
01:28:33,420 --> 01:28:38,100
mean officially

2158
01:28:34,619 --> 01:28:41,460
so it provides a model also for the U.S

2159
01:28:38,100 --> 01:28:43,260
in my opinion for any of the panelists

2160
01:28:41,460 --> 01:28:46,579
um the other question I have one of the

2161
01:28:43,260 --> 01:28:46,579
other questions I have is

2162
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:52,020
a lot of people when they talk about

2163
01:28:48,899 --> 01:28:54,299
this at least in this country are

2164
01:28:52,020 --> 01:28:57,600
ridiculed when they talk about it this

2165
01:28:54,300 --> 01:29:01,400
is you know Pooh pod you're you know

2166
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:01,400
you're somewhere in outer space

2167
01:29:01,738 --> 01:29:08,819
um

2168
01:29:02,719 --> 01:29:12,359
what why I guess has there been some

2169
01:29:08,819 --> 01:29:15,238
organization or is it just are attitudes

2170
01:29:12,359 --> 01:29:19,979
in the United States tell me why there's

2171
01:29:15,238 --> 01:29:22,859
so much skepticism in this country

2172
01:29:19,979 --> 01:29:24,718
um I'll feel I'll try to feel that I do

2173
01:29:22,859 --> 01:29:26,219
find privately people are much more open

2174
01:29:24,719 --> 01:29:28,319
about this than they are when they're in

2175
01:29:26,219 --> 01:29:30,480
a public situation that's one thing

2176
01:29:28,319 --> 01:29:32,099
people discover that probably any of

2177
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:35,399
these researchers and they discover oh

2178
01:29:32,100 --> 01:29:37,860
you research UFOs inevitably they will

2179
01:29:35,399 --> 01:29:40,379
say oh let me tell you about what I saw

2180
01:29:37,859 --> 01:29:42,179
last year five years 20 years ago so

2181
01:29:40,380 --> 01:29:44,039
those stories are out there and people I

2182
01:29:42,179 --> 01:29:45,658
firmly believe there is a true hunger

2183
01:29:44,039 --> 01:29:47,880
for knowledge on this once people

2184
01:29:45,658 --> 01:29:50,519
realize that there's something to it but

2185
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:54,300
I agree with you in our public discourse

2186
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:57,060
this is a third rail whether you are in

2187
01:29:54,300 --> 01:29:58,860
major Media or politics or Academia

2188
01:29:57,060 --> 01:29:59,940
they're all really the same in this

2189
01:29:58,859 --> 01:30:02,698
regard

2190
01:29:59,939 --> 01:30:04,079
I had a professor at UCLA called me a

2191
01:30:02,698 --> 01:30:05,698
number of years ago department chair

2192
01:30:04,079 --> 01:30:08,100
said well I really just want to let you

2193
01:30:05,698 --> 01:30:09,678
know I enjoy your books I said thank you

2194
01:30:08,100 --> 01:30:12,480
why are you whispering in the phone

2195
01:30:09,679 --> 01:30:14,340
which literally he was whispering and

2196
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:16,259
you know he said the typical thing that

2197
01:30:14,340 --> 01:30:17,940
every Professor would say well my

2198
01:30:16,260 --> 01:30:21,179
Department's kind of political and you

2199
01:30:17,939 --> 01:30:23,099
know not go right so uh it's always the

2200
01:30:21,179 --> 01:30:26,219
retired ones who look for me

2201
01:30:23,100 --> 01:30:28,380
but um personally I I believe you know

2202
01:30:26,219 --> 01:30:31,380
the the the town the tone was set back

2203
01:30:28,380 --> 01:30:34,199
in the 50s and in fact the the top

2204
01:30:31,380 --> 01:30:36,300
skeptic debunker in the U.S at that time

2205
01:30:34,198 --> 01:30:38,460
was a Harvard astronomer by the name of

2206
01:30:36,300 --> 01:30:40,380
Donald Menzel

2207
01:30:38,460 --> 01:30:43,279
um Menzel wrote a number of books he was

2208
01:30:40,380 --> 01:30:45,840
like the the pit bull guard dog

2209
01:30:43,279 --> 01:30:47,939
maintaining Orthodoxy

2210
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:49,980
uh that you know if some little

2211
01:30:47,939 --> 01:30:51,359
community college professor was going to

2212
01:30:49,979 --> 01:30:53,099
get out of line and talk about UFOs

2213
01:30:51,359 --> 01:30:55,259
here's Menzel Harvard astronomer who's

2214
01:30:53,100 --> 01:30:57,300
going to argue with Menzel and he'd slap

2215
01:30:55,260 --> 01:30:59,280
them down Menzel we learned years later

2216
01:30:57,300 --> 01:31:02,239
had a very very close relationship with

2217
01:30:59,279 --> 01:31:05,519
the National Security Agency very close

2218
01:31:02,238 --> 01:31:07,979
uh that does this prove that the NSA

2219
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:10,380
used him in this capacity who knows but

2220
01:31:07,979 --> 01:31:12,959
these things this is how it looks

2221
01:31:10,380 --> 01:31:14,760
back in the late 1970s journalist Carl

2222
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:17,579
Bernstein had the famous Rolling Stone

2223
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:19,380
article uh in which he said there are

2224
01:31:17,579 --> 01:31:21,658
over 400 U.S journalists that I have

2225
01:31:19,380 --> 01:31:24,480
identified who had a covert relationship

2226
01:31:21,658 --> 01:31:27,000
with the Central Intelligence Agency uh

2227
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:29,459
CIA promptly said well we don't we don't

2228
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:31,079
do that anymore and if you read the

2229
01:31:29,460 --> 01:31:33,000
language carefully in their statements

2230
01:31:31,079 --> 01:31:35,100
especially in the 1990s they're very

2231
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:37,380
lawyerly in their denials it's very

2232
01:31:35,100 --> 01:31:39,539
clear that there are relationships so

2233
01:31:37,380 --> 01:31:42,900
what I am suggesting and I guess this is

2234
01:31:39,539 --> 01:31:46,019
the conspiracy angle here but I I would

2235
01:31:42,899 --> 01:31:47,698
suggest that there are proxies

2236
01:31:46,020 --> 01:31:49,679
that work with National Security

2237
01:31:47,698 --> 01:31:52,738
elements

2238
01:31:49,679 --> 01:31:55,619
look it's an open revolving door in much

2239
01:31:52,738 --> 01:31:57,359
of our society anyway uh most of us is

2240
01:31:55,619 --> 01:31:59,880
out in the open but I think that there

2241
01:31:57,359 --> 01:32:01,979
are relationships friendly relationships

2242
01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:06,000
uh with academic

2243
01:32:01,979 --> 01:32:10,138
and with media and uh political as well

2244
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:11,939
where where you have the herders

2245
01:32:10,139 --> 01:32:13,619
who basically keep the underlings in

2246
01:32:11,939 --> 01:32:14,819
line and every now and then someone gets

2247
01:32:13,619 --> 01:32:17,399
out of line and they have to be dealt

2248
01:32:14,819 --> 01:32:19,859
with but so I think that that's how the

2249
01:32:17,399 --> 01:32:21,479
culture is created and it has a top-down

2250
01:32:19,859 --> 01:32:23,399
effect and most people they don't want

2251
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:24,539
to be Superman they have their jobs they

2252
01:32:23,399 --> 01:32:26,519
have got their family they got their

2253
01:32:24,539 --> 01:32:28,800
things they can't fight the machine so

2254
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:30,780
they just they live their lives and hope

2255
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:33,719
that someone else takes it on

2256
01:32:30,779 --> 01:32:35,399
there there are documents that Mr Dolan

2257
01:32:33,719 --> 01:32:37,079
can tell you about the internal

2258
01:32:35,399 --> 01:32:39,960
documents in the Air Force and others

2259
01:32:37,079 --> 01:32:43,800
where they consciously instruct their

2260
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:46,920
officers to ridicule and debunk people

2261
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:49,079
is a specific official policy inside the

2262
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:51,119
Air Force people they know positively

2263
01:32:49,079 --> 01:32:54,238
have seen one of these things to try to

2264
01:32:51,119 --> 01:32:57,359
destroy their credibility yeah the

2265
01:32:54,238 --> 01:32:59,579
Robertson panel which is a famous CIA a

2266
01:32:57,359 --> 01:33:03,779
symposium that took place in January of

2267
01:32:59,579 --> 01:33:07,260
1953 in fact they used the word the bank

2268
01:33:03,779 --> 01:33:09,179
yeah it's in the document itself as the

2269
01:33:07,260 --> 01:33:11,940
colonel says you know specifically

2270
01:33:09,179 --> 01:33:14,158
assigned to go out and ridicule them and

2271
01:33:11,939 --> 01:33:16,319
tell them they're ridiculous and most

2272
01:33:14,158 --> 01:33:18,119
people can't stand up against that kind

2273
01:33:16,319 --> 01:33:19,460
of thing coming from authority figures

2274
01:33:18,119 --> 01:33:22,319
right

2275
01:33:19,460 --> 01:33:23,698
was the last Act of the Truman

2276
01:33:22,319 --> 01:33:25,619
Administration it was the last weekend

2277
01:33:23,698 --> 01:33:27,658
of Harry Truman's presidency that this

2278
01:33:25,619 --> 01:33:29,819
classified panel took place and it was

2279
01:33:27,658 --> 01:33:31,619
specifically related to UFOs very

2280
01:33:29,819 --> 01:33:34,559
interesting little historical factoid

2281
01:33:31,619 --> 01:33:37,260
there and as Daniel just pointed out its

2282
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:38,820
conclusion was this is a necessary topic

2283
01:33:37,260 --> 01:33:40,560
and we must debunk it to the American

2284
01:33:38,819 --> 01:33:43,139
people this is not a good thing for them

2285
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:44,940
to be uh thinking about

2286
01:33:43,139 --> 01:33:47,600
thank you and they're working with the

2287
01:33:44,939 --> 01:33:47,599
media to do that

2288
01:33:49,079 --> 01:33:53,340
from where was the balloon the Mogul

2289
01:33:51,899 --> 01:33:55,079
balloon that was supposed to have been

2290
01:33:53,340 --> 01:33:58,100
the Roswell incident from where was it

2291
01:33:55,079 --> 01:33:58,100
supposedly launched

2292
01:33:58,738 --> 01:34:04,019
that's yeah the Mogul

2293
01:34:02,579 --> 01:34:05,698
I thought they were White Sands

2294
01:34:04,020 --> 01:34:08,179
Alamogordo

2295
01:34:05,698 --> 01:34:10,379
that area we we have the record

2296
01:34:08,179 --> 01:34:12,539
I'm so sorry

2297
01:34:10,380 --> 01:34:15,359
from where

2298
01:34:12,539 --> 01:34:17,340
you know what a pie ball is it's it's a

2299
01:34:15,359 --> 01:34:19,319
high altitude balloon that they track

2300
01:34:17,340 --> 01:34:21,960
they launch them and then track them so

2301
01:34:19,319 --> 01:34:25,439
they can keep track of the upper air

2302
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:27,840
currents but that if when it was

2303
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:29,698
launched when uh Marcel launched the

2304
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:31,739
thing he would have had probably

2305
01:34:29,698 --> 01:34:33,000
standing right in front of Base Ops

2306
01:34:31,738 --> 01:34:33,779
because that's where they send them up

2307
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:36,800
from

2308
01:34:33,779 --> 01:34:39,359
from where base operations

2309
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:41,219
you see the fighter squadrons your

2310
01:34:39,359 --> 01:34:43,799
bomber squadrons or whatever they have

2311
01:34:41,219 --> 01:34:46,079
their own particular area but Transit

2312
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:48,119
airplanes always launched from base

2313
01:34:46,079 --> 01:34:50,359
operation how close is one of those to

2314
01:34:48,119 --> 01:34:53,760
Roswell

2315
01:34:50,359 --> 01:34:55,319
it's on Roswell base so that what

2316
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:57,480
they're saying is that the balloon was

2317
01:34:55,319 --> 01:34:58,859
launched there and crashed there

2318
01:34:57,479 --> 01:35:01,859
yes

2319
01:34:58,859 --> 01:35:04,139
well I I don't I don't know where

2320
01:35:01,859 --> 01:35:05,759
exactly that it crashed see these

2321
01:35:04,139 --> 01:35:07,279
balloons were supposed to be determining

2322
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:11,760
uh

2323
01:35:07,279 --> 01:35:13,019
possible uh Soviet nuclear detonations

2324
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:14,579
uh

2325
01:35:13,020 --> 01:35:15,960
I'm just curious where they thought

2326
01:35:14,579 --> 01:35:18,539
because if it was launched somewhere

2327
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:22,139
else the probability that landing at

2328
01:35:18,539 --> 01:35:24,300
Roswell was was vanishingly small you

2329
01:35:22,139 --> 01:35:25,980
know I had a course in advanced

2330
01:35:24,300 --> 01:35:28,440
statistics and it's vanishingly small

2331
01:35:25,979 --> 01:35:31,259
probability the the United States Air

2332
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:32,759
Force in there 1994 reports it said

2333
01:35:31,260 --> 01:35:35,520
these were launched out of White Sands

2334
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:37,739
and um

2335
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:39,719
you know and that actually they had a a

2336
01:35:37,738 --> 01:35:41,879
schedule of of a number of these balloon

2337
01:35:39,719 --> 01:35:43,859
launches that uh went down and were

2338
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:45,659
recovered so there were several that

2339
01:35:43,859 --> 01:35:49,500
were from

2340
01:35:45,658 --> 01:35:51,839
the spring of 1947 and in fact they uh

2341
01:35:49,500 --> 01:35:54,060
speculated that this wasn't really a

2342
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:55,260
slam dunk but they they indicated that

2343
01:35:54,060 --> 01:35:57,060
the um

2344
01:35:55,260 --> 01:35:59,579
that they thought that they'd identified

2345
01:35:57,060 --> 01:36:01,560
the one launch that was in fact

2346
01:35:59,579 --> 01:36:03,479
supposedly the Roswell crash I'm trying

2347
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:05,100
to remember the date on that as has been

2348
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:07,738
mentioned the Curious Thing about all of

2349
01:36:05,100 --> 01:36:10,260
this is in the Gio report there was

2350
01:36:07,738 --> 01:36:11,819
nothing for them to look at because all

2351
01:36:10,260 --> 01:36:14,400
of the relevant information had been

2352
01:36:11,819 --> 01:36:17,158
destroyed they had no idea at whose

2353
01:36:14,399 --> 01:36:19,319
command had been destroyed and you know

2354
01:36:17,158 --> 01:36:20,279
this is very unorthodox it should have

2355
01:36:19,319 --> 01:36:22,799
been there

2356
01:36:20,279 --> 01:36:25,500
kind of interesting isn't it I was a

2357
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:26,880
member of the uh of the Science and

2358
01:36:25,500 --> 01:36:28,319
Technology committee I think it was

2359
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:31,380
simply called the science committee then

2360
01:36:28,319 --> 01:36:33,000
when the ship held this uh I thought it

2361
01:36:31,380 --> 01:36:36,300
was a hearing apparently it was a

2362
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:38,819
briefing and it was what about 94 or

2363
01:36:36,300 --> 01:36:41,159
five I came to the Congress in 93 and I

2364
01:36:38,819 --> 01:36:43,319
remember his his interest in that when I

2365
01:36:41,158 --> 01:36:45,238
was first approached about this week's

2366
01:36:43,319 --> 01:36:48,479
activities I was cautioned that if you

2367
01:36:45,238 --> 01:36:51,539
do this you could uh possibly be

2368
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:53,759
relegated to The Lunatic Fringe and this

2369
01:36:51,539 --> 01:36:55,500
may not be good for uh for your

2370
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:57,900
potential activities for the rest of

2371
01:36:55,500 --> 01:37:01,139
your uh

2372
01:36:57,899 --> 01:37:02,638
political productive life I'm 87 in five

2373
01:37:01,139 --> 01:37:03,480
weeks I don't know how much remains

2374
01:37:02,639 --> 01:37:05,219
anymore

2375
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:07,079
this but I said you know I'm going to do

2376
01:37:05,219 --> 01:37:08,279
this because I think there's a

2377
01:37:07,079 --> 01:37:11,219
constitutional very serious

2378
01:37:08,279 --> 01:37:16,279
constitutional issue involved here

2379
01:37:11,219 --> 01:37:16,279
whether There Are UFOs or not

2380
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:22,560
whether they are extraterrestrial not is

2381
01:37:20,279 --> 01:37:24,119
really quite irrelevant

2382
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:25,739
to whether or not there ought to be

2383
01:37:24,119 --> 01:37:27,779
hearings on this because the First

2384
01:37:25,738 --> 01:37:31,259
Amendment to the Constitution

2385
01:37:27,779 --> 01:37:33,539
says the right of the people to petition

2386
01:37:31,260 --> 01:37:35,039
the government for a redress of

2387
01:37:33,539 --> 01:37:37,260
grievances

2388
01:37:35,039 --> 01:37:39,719
Mr shiam doesn't just fall in within

2389
01:37:37,260 --> 01:37:43,139
that oh yes there's there's no there's

2390
01:37:39,719 --> 01:37:45,239
no doubt about this uh the but but the

2391
01:37:43,139 --> 01:37:47,520
fact the fact of the matter is in a

2392
01:37:45,238 --> 01:37:48,959
National Security State from from the

2393
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:52,139
net passage of the National Security Act

2394
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:54,840
of 1947 there has been an entire caveat

2395
01:37:52,139 --> 01:37:56,819
on the Constitution that things that

2396
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:58,260
fall under National Security and when

2397
01:37:56,819 --> 01:38:00,420
Oliver North can sit right in front of

2398
01:37:58,260 --> 01:38:02,639
you say sure I lied to you the Congress

2399
01:38:00,420 --> 01:38:04,560
because this was a covert operation you

2400
01:38:02,639 --> 01:38:06,359
know that we're in charge you're not in

2401
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:08,639
charge and so there's a there's an

2402
01:38:06,359 --> 01:38:11,039
entire National Security State kind of

2403
01:38:08,639 --> 01:38:13,139
uh subculture that believes that they

2404
01:38:11,039 --> 01:38:15,238
have the right not only to hold

2405
01:38:13,139 --> 01:38:17,400
information back from Congress but to

2406
01:38:15,238 --> 01:38:19,259
openly defy Congress when you pass the

2407
01:38:17,399 --> 01:38:20,579
Poland Amendment prohibiting them from

2408
01:38:19,260 --> 01:38:22,320
engaging in the covert operations

2409
01:38:20,579 --> 01:38:24,719
against they go ahead and do it anyhow

2410
01:38:22,319 --> 01:38:27,119
the danger is a National Security State

2411
01:38:24,719 --> 01:38:29,399
would and if it arose in the context of

2412
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:31,260
the cold war with the Soviet Union we

2413
01:38:29,399 --> 01:38:33,359
should move very aggressively at the end

2414
01:38:31,260 --> 01:38:35,460
of the Cold War to try to disassemble

2415
01:38:33,359 --> 01:38:37,799
some of those structures of the National

2416
01:38:35,460 --> 01:38:39,719
Security State not try to create a new

2417
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:41,820
one so that they went searching very

2418
01:38:39,719 --> 01:38:43,198
quickly for some ultimate other that

2419
01:38:41,819 --> 01:38:46,139
they had to find and they ended up

2420
01:38:43,198 --> 01:38:47,299
having you know Afghanistan or Iran or

2421
01:38:46,139 --> 01:38:50,460
Iraq

2422
01:38:47,300 --> 01:38:52,800
it's a it's a mindset and and it's that

2423
01:38:50,460 --> 01:38:55,020
that whole kind of retrenchment into a

2424
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:56,699
defensive position in the face of the

2425
01:38:55,020 --> 01:38:58,440
ultimate other and it's a it's an

2426
01:38:56,698 --> 01:39:00,839
ultimate mindset that we have to try to

2427
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:03,000
overcome and as I point out that it's

2428
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:06,119
it's a theological issue because that is

2429
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:08,760
a is a malfunction of our intellect

2430
01:39:06,119 --> 01:39:10,439
and it cuts us off from our harmonious

2431
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:12,179
relationship not only with the rest of

2432
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:14,158
the universe but all other intelligent

2433
01:39:12,179 --> 01:39:15,960
species in the universe and that's

2434
01:39:14,158 --> 01:39:18,599
that's what we have to address I think

2435
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:21,000
it's a worldview issue for

2436
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:23,820
thank you

2437
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:25,619
for 20 years in the Congress I served on

2438
01:39:23,819 --> 01:39:27,899
the armed services committee and I

2439
01:39:25,619 --> 01:39:30,779
remember Eisenhower's caution as he left

2440
01:39:27,899 --> 01:39:33,179
office that we should be concerned about

2441
01:39:30,779 --> 01:39:35,340
the military-industrial complex I

2442
01:39:33,179 --> 01:39:37,980
understand that in the original draft it

2443
01:39:35,340 --> 01:39:40,980
was military industrial Congressional

2444
01:39:37,979 --> 01:39:42,718
complex and he didn't he didn't want to

2445
01:39:40,979 --> 01:39:44,638
be too political so he took out the

2446
01:39:42,719 --> 01:39:46,859
Congressional it's too bad he did that

2447
01:39:44,639 --> 01:39:49,800
because this really is a military

2448
01:39:46,859 --> 01:39:54,359
industrial Congressional complex the

2449
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:55,860
F-35 is built in in 48 states there are

2450
01:39:54,359 --> 01:39:58,079
96 senators and I don't know how many

2451
01:39:55,859 --> 01:40:00,839
100 representatives to support the F-35

2452
01:39:58,079 --> 01:40:02,579
not because we may need it but because

2453
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:05,699
it creates jobs

2454
01:40:02,579 --> 01:40:08,399
yeah and you know too many of us cannot

2455
01:40:05,698 --> 01:40:11,158
make cannot differentiate for between

2456
01:40:08,399 --> 01:40:14,339
jobs that consume wealth and jobs that

2457
01:40:11,158 --> 01:40:16,019
create wealth yeah it's

2458
01:40:14,340 --> 01:40:17,880
a front page of the Washington Post

2459
01:40:16,020 --> 01:40:20,400
today you look at the headlines of the

2460
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:22,920
Washington Post and it says that the

2461
01:40:20,399 --> 01:40:24,839
sequester of kind of cut back on the

2462
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:26,340
military budget the all the arguments

2463
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:27,840
are coming out now we can't do that

2464
01:40:26,340 --> 01:40:29,760
because of all the jobs in the

2465
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:32,159
employment you know I mean it's an old

2466
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:35,219
it's an old saw we've developed a an

2467
01:40:32,158 --> 01:40:38,039
economy that is so Reliant upon military

2468
01:40:35,219 --> 01:40:40,560
spending that in fact it drives the

2469
01:40:38,039 --> 01:40:42,779
policies to go looking for adversaries

2470
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:45,539
and if we lose the adversary of the

2471
01:40:42,779 --> 01:40:47,460
Soviet Union on December 31st of 1991

2472
01:40:45,539 --> 01:40:49,979
with the dissolving of the Soviet Union

2473
01:40:47,460 --> 01:40:51,899
that takes them less than a few years to

2474
01:40:49,979 --> 01:40:53,339
find another one and if you have to go

2475
01:40:51,899 --> 01:40:56,519
so desperately that you're looking to

2476
01:40:53,340 --> 01:40:58,139
Afghanistan in in Iran as being your

2477
01:40:56,520 --> 01:40:59,639
ultimate threat to the most powerful

2478
01:40:58,139 --> 01:41:01,920
nation in the history of the human

2479
01:40:59,639 --> 01:41:03,480
civilization there's a motive for that

2480
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:04,260
and it's not because they're threatening

2481
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:06,119
you

2482
01:41:04,260 --> 01:41:08,219
when we held a hearing on this in the

2483
01:41:06,119 --> 01:41:10,079
Congress about the economic effects I

2484
01:41:08,219 --> 01:41:11,939
wouldn't have the father was chairman I

2485
01:41:10,079 --> 01:41:13,979
wouldn't have held the hearing economic

2486
01:41:11,939 --> 01:41:16,319
effects of sequestration

2487
01:41:13,979 --> 01:41:18,899
and when it came time for my question my

2488
01:41:16,319 --> 01:41:21,238
five minutes I said suppose when we left

2489
01:41:18,899 --> 01:41:23,698
here tonight we broke all the windows

2490
01:41:21,238 --> 01:41:26,339
out of this building and we did that all

2491
01:41:23,698 --> 01:41:28,319
over Washington and overnight a crew

2492
01:41:26,340 --> 01:41:30,900
came in and replaced all of those broken

2493
01:41:28,319 --> 01:41:32,279
windows and we did this every day we

2494
01:41:30,899 --> 01:41:34,079
broke out all the windows and the crew

2495
01:41:32,279 --> 01:41:36,539
would replace them all wouldn't that

2496
01:41:34,079 --> 01:41:40,139
create a lot of jobs just think of the

2497
01:41:36,539 --> 01:41:41,639
jobs that that would create you know and

2498
01:41:40,139 --> 01:41:44,340
my question was do you think that would

2499
01:41:41,639 --> 01:41:46,679
have a long-term beneficial effect on

2500
01:41:44,340 --> 01:41:48,239
the economy I wanted to understand the

2501
01:41:46,679 --> 01:41:50,399
difference between jobs that create

2502
01:41:48,238 --> 01:41:51,238
wealth and jobs that consume wealth but

2503
01:41:50,399 --> 01:41:53,399
we've been talking about the

2504
01:41:51,238 --> 01:41:55,678
Constitution and why I'm here I'm here

2505
01:41:53,399 --> 01:41:57,960
because I think that the Congress owes

2506
01:41:55,679 --> 01:41:59,880
the American people a hearing on this

2507
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:02,539
subject

2508
01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:02,539
that's right

2509
01:42:04,979 --> 01:42:09,599
you may be dead wrong there may be

2510
01:42:06,779 --> 01:42:10,859
nothing to UFOs that is irrelevant you

2511
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:13,139
have a right to petition the government

2512
01:42:10,859 --> 01:42:14,939
for redress or grievances all of my

2513
01:42:13,139 --> 01:42:17,460
questions have been anticipated by my

2514
01:42:14,939 --> 01:42:20,039
colleagues thank you all very much for a

2515
01:42:17,460 --> 01:42:21,409
very good panel and we'll now stand in

2516
01:42:20,039 --> 01:42:28,590
recess for lunch thank you

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01:42:21,409 --> 01:42:28,590
[Applause]